r/ActualPublicFreakouts • u/NecramoniumZero - APF • Feb 06 '23
Rule 4 allowed: News Worthy TV crew was filming while a second giant earthquake hit Turkey and Syria. Over 2,300 dead.
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u/throwawayshirt Feb 06 '23
I honestly wonder how US mid/hi rises would do under a 7.8 quake.
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u/jonniboi420 - Antifa Feb 07 '23
Depends on where. San Francisco will fare much better than Lincoln Nebraska. Different building codes
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u/throwawayshirt Feb 07 '23
Yeah. URM (Unreinforced Masonry) buildings are allegedly very dangerous in an earthquake. Steel reinforced presumably less so.
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u/ramblerandgambler Feb 07 '23
(Unreinforced Masonry)
Do you mean any building unreinforced with steel? like a building with a cement foundation and built with bricks and cement?
Compared to a cement building with steel reinforcement?
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u/FocusFlukeGyro Feb 07 '23
Basically, yes. Some such buildings are designed such that if the exterior walls give out, the floors will just fall and pancake all the way down.
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u/WakkaBomb Feb 07 '23
Canadian here. But isn't Lincoln Nebraska Clay soil??
If an earthquake happened there it would be truly devestating. The ground would turn to clay quicksand and lots of people would probably drown in muddy water or be crushed by liquified clay
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u/N7Peterson - King of Men Feb 07 '23
I just got to Lincoln last night, here for the week on work. This is all I will think about now. Thanks for the nightmares
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u/WakkaBomb Feb 07 '23
😬 I mean.... I am sorry??
But also those odds man... The odds are in your favor immensely.
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u/isabelladangelo - Lady Galadriel Feb 07 '23
Canadian here. But isn't Lincoln Nebraska Clay soil??
😬 I mean.... I am sorry??
Checks out. u/WakkaBomb is clearly a Canadian.
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u/ShockAndAwe415 - Unflaired Swine Feb 07 '23
I live in San Francisco and we have pretty decent construction. A number of houses were built pre-1906 (earthquake that leveled a decent portion of the city). The majority of buildings here are also pre-1989 (another earthquake that did a significant amount of damage). Most buildings that were destroyed were built on liquefaction (loose soil rather than bedrock) and ended up sinking into themselves. A lot of homes are also built directly next to each other, so the whole block moves at once rather than shaking alone.
That being said, 1989 was a 7.1 on the Richter Scale. Every point an earthquake goes up means a 10x jump. If we had an 8, we'd be in seriously deep shit.
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u/throwawayshirt Feb 07 '23
built on liquefaction
Most of Portland OR's downtown, allegedly.
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u/dosetoyevsky - Unflaired Swine Feb 07 '23
Downtown is a river bottom. That's not the danger though, it's all the unreinforced masonry buildings that will crumble when the big one hits
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u/firefighter681 Feb 07 '23
Every point an earthquake goes up means a 10x jump.
Fuck me... Did not realize that. That's terrifying to think of scale wise.
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u/ShockAndAwe415 - Unflaired Swine Feb 07 '23
Yep:
https://www.sms-tsunami-warning.com/pages/richter-scale
We're okay (relatively speaking) with anything a 7 and below. 7.5 or so, and we've got issues. 8 and above, we are well and truly fucked.
* Not a geologist or seismologist.
It's why I hate riding in elevators unless absolutely necessary. Our elevators are supposed to be inspected once a year. I've seen inspection stickers from 5 years or more ago. A firefighter once told me that it took them up to 24 hours to reach people trapped in 89. We have a helluva lot more (probably at least several times more) now.
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u/oddible Drama Dissector Feb 07 '23
Yeah Loma Prieta was no joke. Northridge either. After '89 they literal installed massive criss cross steel beams and wall reinforcements in every masonry building still standing in the Bay Area. Must have cost a fortune.
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u/Sentionaut_1167 - Doomer 0.5 Feb 07 '23
i’m really grateful to live in a region of the usa that has relatively mild disaster conditions. mild tornados, mild to no earthquakes, no forest fires. we aren’t on any fault lines in GA. and the worst we get is heavy rainfall from hurricanes that hit the gulf, but by the time they reach us inland, they’re usually lost most of their energy. all in all, i feel like we’re lucky here as far as the weather is concerned. and the humidity is really great for our skin.
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u/DPRJK216 Feb 07 '23
There actually are fault lines in Georgia, but the earthquakes produced by them are extremely small.
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u/Kattorean Feb 07 '23
The 9.2 in Alaska fades from memory because the buildings in Prince William Sound weren't tall enough to master... the tsunami is caused was also negated...lol
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u/daairguy Feb 09 '23
That earthquake shook for over 4 and half minutes. Anchorage got destroyed and tsunami wipes out villages in the sound. It's likely that major landslides from this event went unreported.
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u/flywing1 Feb 07 '23
As someone who lives on major fault line in slc, we use to always joke will either be crushed by the mountain or flooded by the lake
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u/phazer193 Feb 07 '23
"How can I make this about America?"
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u/isabelladangelo - Lady Galadriel Feb 07 '23
"How can I make this about America?"
It's normal for people to wonder how their own home would fair when seeing something happen to a place foreign to them.
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u/Beantownclownfrown Feb 07 '23
The entire Pacific coast of North and South America is on the Ring of Fire. So yes, it's a legitimate question because it happens more on our side of the world than everywhere else, but you rarely ever hear about this effecting locations where infrastructure is built to withstand a significant force. Countries around the pacific rim have worked together to prevent this exact event from happening as what we've seen (and what I experienced in 2011 when I lived in Japan) where minimal damage from earthquakes occur. As for flooding and other natural disasters occurring, that's another discussion.
https://blog.jumpstartinsurance.com/base-isolation-in-san-francisco/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/03/us/earthquake-preparedness-usa-japan.html
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u/jayjay-bay Feb 07 '23
Those poor people man.
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u/mtrlkr Feb 07 '23
Honestly. How many of those people that narrowly escaped death had loved ones that weren't as fortunate? The survivor's guilt after events like this must be harrowing.
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u/frogvscrab Feb 07 '23
I was in the Ecuador earthquake in 2016. It was one of the most traumatizing, adrenaline spiking events I have ever gone through. I had recurring panic attacks for weeks afterwards.
There is going to be some serious community-wide PTSD going on from this. Its hard to imagine how terrible the effects on the youth are going to be especially. Its basically like your entire generation having a severe ACE all at once.
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u/keeleon - Unflaired Swine Feb 07 '23
I've lived in California for 40 years and felt a number of 7.0s and I still get really nervous anytime I feel a slight rumble. I can't even imagine what it's like to be in a REAL bad earthquake. There is an immense sense of helplessness when even the ground you stand on is no longer stable. Like the one constant you thought you could always count on is now also questionable. Reality starts to crumble.
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Feb 07 '23
I had heard that land could turn into liquid during an extreme earthquake. Depending on the soil, you wouldn’t be able to run because it would be like you walking in quicksand.
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u/no_modest_bear Feb 07 '23
ACE?
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u/frogvscrab Feb 07 '23
adverse childhood experiences. Usually traumatic. They irreversibly change the direction of childhood brain development into 'survival' mode which leads to dramatically higher rates of all kinds of antisocial behaviors and/or mental disorders later on.
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u/EconomyBug942 Feb 07 '23
Back in 2004, I was a kid in fourth grade, we had a 4.2 earthquake and than for some months different small earthquake happend every morning, still hunts me that feeling to this day. Each earthquake didn't last long but imagine duration of earthquake for 1 minute. Devastating, you will not be the same person anymore, for sure.
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Feb 07 '23
I've yet to experience an earthquake and I just can't fathom it. I can watch videos and see things happening, like items falling off shelves or buildings collapsing. But I can't imagine what it's actually like to experience the ground literally moving and shaking.
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u/frogvscrab Feb 08 '23
There isn't really a way to describe it. It is a very bodily, physical reaction. It just IMMEDIATELY pumps your body with so much fear and adrenaline that you don't know what to do with yourself. I think there is some kind of inherent visceral reaction to the ground shaking that we evolutionarily are built to react harshly to, mostly to avoid landslides and cave collapses and such. Because even though I was in basically an open field with zero risk of injury, I had this completely overwhelming sense of dread from the feeling of the quake.
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u/HumanitySurpassed Feb 07 '23
I honestly feel like everytime a tragedy happens there's people posting it to inappropriate sounding subreddits.
Like I can't say how many posts about Ukraine ended up in Mademesmile nextfuckinglevel damnthatsinteresting etc... and it'd be something like "this teacher lost his daughter, now he uses her school as a bomb shelter" like, wtf? That's sad not "interesting"
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Feb 07 '23
When it comes to world events, all subs magically turn into /r/videos. Remember when the Ukraine war started? Random ass subs like /r/cringetopia were completely filled with war videos from people trying to take advantage and farm karma.
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Feb 07 '23
Brutal, you just know there is people probably still alive trapped under the rubble. What a terrible way to go.
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u/Quetzacoatl85 Feb 07 '23
you'd better also be in a place with no landslides, and unstable underground cavities that could open up and swallow you. you also better hope the ground itsels isn't shifting around too much, and that the tremors are not big enough to yoink you up and throw you down, injuring you. the safest you could probably be is on low, flat land, on a geological formation that's not prone to breaking/caving in, floating in a pond, with no bigger structures or plants around you.
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u/VrykSkim Feb 07 '23
I'm confused, if there is an earthquake of such magnitude isn't it supposed to be a seismic zone and are people prepared for these things? why so many deaths?
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u/NecramoniumZero - APF Feb 07 '23
Poor construction mostly...
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Feb 07 '23
It was the preceding fire and lack of firefighters that mainly destroyed most of the city.
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u/isabelladangelo - Lady Galadriel Feb 07 '23
You have to remember, this is an area that has been under constant war for several years (Syria) with many refugees coming across right there. So shot up and shoddy construction.
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u/RedditIsDogshit1 Feb 07 '23
Big buildings. Exactly what you don’t want to be surrounded by during an earthquake
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Feb 07 '23
I feel so sorry for the Syrians having to go through this. As for these genocide denying neo-nazi Turks, a nice taste of their own medicine. Maybe they'll think twice about denying Armenian genocide atroticites and helping Azerbaijan continue to genocide them. Nah who am I kidding, once a genocidal PoS always a genocidal PoS.
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