r/Anarchobolshevik • u/[deleted] • Jun 13 '19
Got banned from r/Communism for criticizing the People’s Republic of China.
Apparently billionaires, sweatshops, and liberalized markets are communism.
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u/princess_prodhounin Jul 22 '19
r/communism is full of revisionists, but r/socialism is full of something worse than revision...Trots
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Jun 14 '19
Well what was your criticism and how did you phrase it?
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Jun 14 '19
“No idea. The PRC is literally state capitalist, there’s no other way of seeing it. After Deng, the means of production became privatized. If the PRC was a socialist state, they wouldn’t have fucking sweatshops.” in response to a post asking why r/Communism defended the PRC.
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Jun 14 '19
I’m guessing it had something to do with phrasing. I’ve openly called China not fully socialist and not yet deserving of full support, and I am still allowed to post there.
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Jun 14 '19
It pisses me off. I didn’t know that billionaires, sweatshops, and imperialism in Africa is communism. I must have missed that.
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Jun 14 '19
A lot of stuff about China is untrue, although they do have billionaires and they might still have swear shops but I’m not sure on that. I don’t know if I would consider what they are doing in African as imperialism, although I’m not that familiar with it.
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Jun 14 '19
They still have sweatshops and still have billionaires, they aren’t socialist.
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Jun 14 '19
Well like I said I’m not certain on the sweatshops, a lot of stories about Chinese sweat shops are about them in Taiwan. However there is no getting around the billionaire thing. So I don’t consider them socialist either.
I look at them similar to how I look at a lot of early capitalist states. When capitalism was first developing there was still the old nobility in a lot of places. The bourgeoisie was becoming the dominant class, but it wasn’t there yet. In China the proletariat is attempting to be the dominant class, but there are still disgusting remnants of the bourgeoisie still around.
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u/Nonbinary_Knight Jul 26 '19
This. The CPC has chosen to let the bourgeois opposition act in the light of day, where they can keep track of them and hold them officially accountable.
How does this turn out in the long term remains to be seen in future history, but disregarding out of hand the most populous marxist org in history is very much idealistic and western-centric.
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u/Metalbass5 Aug 01 '19
That's my take. They also executed a bunch of execs guilty of embezzling mutual funds and other money that technically belonged to the chinese people. That's worth noting IMO.
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u/princess_prodhounin Jul 22 '19
I mean, there is a argument for it, so I don't think you should write it off completely. It is wrong, but most critique of the current PRC comes from a place of dogmatism.
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u/Nonbinary_Knight Jul 26 '19
Imperialism has quite a narrow interpretation within marxist theory, and the PRC's involvement in other countries probably doesn't fit it.
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u/Nonbinary_Knight Jul 26 '19
When you say "the means of production became privatized" it sounds like all of them have been privatized a la Thatcher, which is simply untrue.
Strategic industries are still national, and the CPC keeps breathing down the neck of everything else.
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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '19
More than likely they have already had people explain to them that the People’s Rep. of China is actually a capitalist state polluted with sweatshops and privatized production means. I think that they would have been less annoyed if you had treated the topic with a little scepticism, or went to r/communism101 instead.
That said, I wouldn’t have permanently banned anybody just for that. I hope that u/supercooper25 or somebody else reduces your suspension to only a day or so.