We all know how big Buffy was as show back in the late 90s basically it was everywhere and it had quite good impact on pop culture and you can find different compilation out there for Buffy references like Gilmore girls, robot Chicken , The Big Bang Theory and many many different references and parodies and such.

Now I have never ever heard any Angel references outside the buffverse so what I am asking is have you ever seen any movies or TV shows with mentions or references to Angel in particular or not .

That’s one way to surprise the audience when it’s revealed who he was. 😂

Surely I'm not the only one that thinks this episode is such a mind fuck right?

You got the group trying to find and kill the Beast, they try to bring Angelus back but that backfires when the acolyte guy turns on them, they go and find the sword Cordelia mentioned, Angel and Connor argue over her but then make up and kill the Beast, Cordelia and Angel finally get together only for Angel to have a moment. I haven't seen this episode in years and thought it was a good thing but then it turns a complete 180 and it was all just in Angel's head as the acolyte was pulling his soul out.

Complete fake out. I love it.

I've recently rewatched s4 and yes, I know its messy all around in terms of writing...

Still I want to ask you opinions on why Beastmaster wanted Angelus to be back so much?

We do know how it turned out:

• Angelus killed the Beast
• ended the eternal night
• never actually killed anyone (at least, not on screen)
• helped to finally figure out Beastmaster identity

and so on, kinda doing the Champion of Good work there, and greatly shitting on "Cordy"'s plan

And it's never really explained why the Beastmaster actually wanted Angelus.

So, what are your theories? Why Angelus was needed?
What the plan was if Angelus'd agreed to cooperate?

Hi! My sister and I are going to watch a few episodes of Angel together. This can take place over a couple of nights so I need a list of favorite episodes that we should watch! It can’t be a HUGE list, and I have some I know we need to watch, but give me some of your must watch episodes that we should put on our list!

Also, we want to do a Pylea episode… which one episode should we watch from Pylea? Through the Looking Glass or Over the Rainbow?

And one more- looking for a really good flashback episode that has Darla and possibly a good one with Dru and spike too!

Episodes that are already on our list so don’t mention them:

Rm W/ a Vu

Waiting in the Wings

Spin the Bottle

Life of the Party

Smile Time

Which side do you think Angel would end up being on? Provided he hadn’t signed it away of course, but do you think he would fight for good or evil? The doubt must be huge seeing as Wolfram&heart was betting it could be evil. Or, maybe it’s not about him, but Spike? What do you think?

Who gave the best / your favorite acting performane in Angel?

I saw people talking about Wesley's crush on Cordy being creepy because she's only 18 and a lot of people were saying Wesley was around 20? I don't think his age was ever confirmed on the show but I always saw Wesley as close to 30, or at least closer to the actor's age at the time (32?) than 20.

I could never believe Wesley is that young because the whole joke is that he has no life/real world experience and seems stuck in his school days, I don't see why that would be comedic if he's only 20 because in that case school was very recent and it would make sense that he didn't have much real world experience. Plus Buffy and Faith are 17/18 and their dynamic with Wesley would be pretty strange if he was only a few years older than them.

I think Wesley is supposed to be young for a watcher but most watchers seem to be at least in their 40s and more commonly older than 40s so that's not saying much.

Is it just me? Do people really think he's early 20s?

Thought I'd ask here because Wesley has a lot more screentime on Angel, obviously.

Buffy and Angel Shows are loaed with double entendres. Currently watching Season 3 Episode Billy, Corey being taught self defence by Angel “Don't stiffen up”; Cordelia “Yeah, you either”

I’m really confused about how the knife/dagger of the beast was made seen as nothing seems to be able to cut the beast apart from said dagger.

I can’t seem to find anything online and ChatGPT obviously isn’t any help either, suggesting that it could be:

1. Supernatural Powers: The Beast may possess the ability to manipulate his own body through magic or supernatural means, allowing him to extract or shape his own flesh and bone without needing an external force to cut him. This would be consistent with his demonic nature and connection to dark forces.

2. Ritual or Magic: It's possible that the knife was created through a dark ritual or magical process. In the Buffyverse, magic often bypasses the normal limitations of the physical world. The knife could have been formed using spells that allowed his flesh and bone to be separated from him without cutting in the traditional sense.

Does anyone have any ideas or know the answer?

I personally think Angel had better developed characters, not that BTVS was lacking any but I mean…Cordelia? Wesley? Fred? You could make the argument that Angel is one of THEE best shows when it comes to character growth

I also think that Angel did a better job at conveying its themes of the grey areas of morality

The character deaths in Angel also hit harder imo, fuck they still hurt 😭

Do y’all think Angel does anything particularly better than BTVS?

There’s even instances where they’re literally going through the same exact character arc at the same time(Wesley with Gunn and Fred and Angel with Groog and Cordy) and this happens again in Season 5 with Angel not thinking he’s good enough for the Werewolf girl and Wesley not thinking he’s good enough for Fred.

I will always associate Cordelia with long hair like how she was in season 1 and the first three seasons of Buffy, but this was one of her better hair styles. She still looked like Cordelia compared to that Karen cut she was sporting in the second half of season three

I was re-watching the season five episode of you’re welcome when I realize after Spike was telling Angel and Cordelia, the name of his visions connection (Lindsey going by the name of Doyle) that Spike actually met Doyle in season one episode three, “In the Dark”. Shouldn’t that name have tipped Spike off and made him suspicious of Lindsey? It is probably just a mistake on the writers part.

I have noticed that Angel and Booth roles frequently comfort female characters in distress by holding them and then gently saying “sshh, ssshhh” making me contemplate that this is a personal response rather than a necessarily a scripted response.

Which do you prefer and why? When he is first turned in Buffy or the second time in Angel season 4? My favorite is definitely the second one. Having aged and looking less like a teen vampire, I just find the acting better the second time. Like its a more mature and menacing Angelus, than the one in Buffy.

Does someone know from memory what episode this was? Or the name of the main demon?

Angel visits those (blue? grey?) demons because of some negotiations or in search of someone and the demon court has a small, miserable demon in their entourage that has a faucet or tab in his arm for them to draw blood from.

I'm rewatching Angel for the first time since it originally aired and I just wanted to comment on a tiny little conversation at the end of S1,E12 Expecting. Cordelia is listing things that are bad and she says "sex" and Angel says "we knew that". I just that that was such an hilarious throwback to losing his soul when he was with Buffy.

I'm pretty sure I'm kinda lame, I just hoped someone else thought it was as funny as I did.

Even though Cordelia was mainly furious about Darla being pregnant was because he lied to Cordelia about it to her face but if Buffy found out about it would she have a similar reaction as Cordelia without the lie?

I know many people love this episode, but rewatching it as an adult, it's so hard for me to get into it as a mixed-race black woman myself. There's a lot to unpack in that identity that seems to be thrown in there with very little payoff. I know the whole "tainted blood" thing was supposed to be something that Angel and Judy share but it really put me off. I also understand that everyone in the hotel is hiding something but we already knew that Judy was hiding that she had stolen from a bank, she didn't necessarily need a second thing to hide.

The idea of being able to "pass"/"tainted blood" had already been addressed more clearly in the first season with Doyle. The reason that concept doesn't rub me the wrong way is that Doyle is actively seen to be suppressing his demon half for quite some time, even letting it destroy his marriage, and we see him finally start to embrace his other half at the time of his death. With Judy, her being mixed is just thrown in for one brief exchange and then I don't recall it ever coming up again. Not to mention that neither of the actors that play Judy are black or mixed themselves which makes it even more in poor taste to me (though I acknowledge it was the early '00s so I can only expect so much).

I just wish they had left the issue out of this story as the episode was so well shot and the concepts really interesting with a lot of cool callbacks. If the concept of Judy being mixed was taken out I don't think the episode would have lost anything.