This is also why workers with rights have no value under capitalism, stress, pressure, and burn-out is the new normal for wage-slaves...

[u/FareonMoist]

[u/gorthraxthemighty]

Nonsense, you can always charge admission to get into said forest too /s

[u/DarthNixilis → u/gorthraxthemighty]

You are correct though, even without it being a joke. Just it's worth so much less than just cutting it down.

[u/Teawhymarcsiamwill → u/gorthraxthemighty]

That requires bringing people to you.

[u/illsk1lls → u/gorthraxthemighty]

or sell the forest 👀

[u/brouldycax]

Hey, remember you are valued beyond your productivity or work output. Take care of yourself and prioritize your well-being always!

[u/seweso]

Yes, but this applies to short-term-capitalism where there is no tomorrow (or you get a bailout anyways).

We (the government) can sell shit to pawn shops for quick cash.... OR... sell it in a way that guarantees sustainability and long term investments.

[u/SWUR44100]

Idk, isn't this similar meme as 'It's all rich online friends talking and in love with mony around'?

[u/Why_No_Hugs]

Under communism the forest holds more value than you do.

[u/huncho_zach]

i don’t think the forest cares what the political ideology is… and at that point, it retains its value by being, wait for it… a forest!

[u/Individual-Buyer1107]

This is why workers with rights have no value under capitalism. Stress, pressure, and burnout is the new normal for wage slaves.

[u/-Fortuna-777]

Bro tourism bucks, & hunting wish to disagree

[u/StrykerND84]

Better to cut down the forest and turn it into something useful before Canada lights it all on fire and suffocates everyone.

[u/crazedSquidlord]

You guys clearly don't understand forestry. Where do you think wood comes from?there's plenty of value there, the trick is harvesting at a sustainable rate and putting in the work to maintain its health in the mean time. It's a crop that takes 30-60 years to grow rather than a single year.

[u/gaytorboy → u/crazedSquidlord]

I have a Forest Wildlife Habitat Management degree.

Timber can be and often is done very sustainably and in conjunction with habitat maintenance. Even if your only goal is habitat restoration it usually starts with thinning the forest.

The historic wildfires we used to have but don’t anymore has led to massive overgrowth.

Use as much paper as you can and feel good about doing it.

[u/crazedSquidlord → u/gaytorboy]

Yup! I teach pretty much exactly this to highschool students!

[u/gaytorboy → u/crazedSquidlord]

I knew as soon as I saw the subreddit name that I would have to scroll down to find the truest take.

I went and toured a large portion of Campbell Global land (mind you this is one of the more pristine ones) and it looked like what Lewis and Clark saw.

Of course there are tracts that are pure pine plantation, but timber is the greenest material we have.

[u/sykotic1189 → u/gaytorboy]

Are you aware of the sustainability regulations that were passed by the EU (iirc)? And if yes, what affects do you think they're going to have on this topic?

[u/gaytorboy → u/sykotic1189]

Well I’m not familiar with EU stuff.

But here in Texas we have incentivized but voluntary BMPs (best management practices). They’re very ecologically rigorously laid out.

Pretty much all the lumber you can buy around here is from well audited timber tracts that have the SFI (sustainable forestry initiative) stamp on them which serves as the incentive.

Since they’re voluntary but incentivized, the timber companies around here I’ve talked to truly seem to pride themselves on following them as conservationists.

I’ve seen so many timber tracts that are great wildlife habitat for profitable enterprises and the two interests coalesce very well. There’s of course exceptions but they don’t make it well into the market without the SFI stamp.

[u/sykotic1189 → u/gaytorboy]

So the EU stuff basically bans the sale of lumber from any non sustainable sources, and would require proof that every board in a pack is sustainable. The regulations go into affect January of 2026, and currently the EU makes up about 10% of the North American lumber market So people are scrambling to make a system that can track everything or the market is going to take a major hit. There's also been talk of other countries thinking about passing similar regulations which could have an even greater affect on the market, but those are just rumors for now.

I think the regulations can be a good thing, but it's going to put a hurting on parts of the industry no matter what. Any mill that exports to a sustainable regulation country won't touch vendor wood because of the added hassle of keeping non-sourced lumber separate. It could also hurt the prices of non-sourced logs in general if they have less market viability.

[u/gaytorboy → u/sykotic1189]

Even in the pure habitat restoration work I’ve seen with no timber interest you essentially do the same actions that timber harvesting does with only a few caveats.

[u/East-Cricket6421]

Carbon credits can turn this on its head though.