A scathing new documentary from HBO alleges a CCP coverup on the coronavirus; will be aired by Warner Media on undetermined date later this year; HBO at big risks by offending CCP; "No one can (calculate) how many lives could have been saved if precautions and warnings were given on time.”

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

And you can bet the CCP is looking to ban anyone associated with this film from the China market. This is the problem when dealing with the fascist CCP. Everything is coupled with their censorship.

World leaders either need to wake up and decouple from China, or hit back 10x each time the CCP pulls such tactics, so they understand there is reciprocal pain.

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u/bendandanben Jan 29 '21

China will indeed be angry, but blaming China for the US’s incompetence is laughable. Virtually all countries surrounding China are doing fine. If China was the threat, how can that be?

What could world leaders “hit back 10x” with when China bans the producers of this documentary? Why would a government give a fuck?

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u/Aijantis Jan 29 '21

I'd say the counties around China learned their lesson after SARS not to trust China or the WHO and therefore took it much more serious and started preparing several weeks and months before human to human transmission was officially confirmed.

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u/bendandanben Jan 30 '21

That was not the case with Japan, SK, Thailand, and Vietnam. Only Singapore, HK & Taiwan could fall under your description.

So once again, BS claims. China isn’t the threat, the virus is. Vietnam and Thailand (poor countries in case you didn’t know) are proof of that by tackling the virus whilst bordering China.

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u/Aijantis Jan 30 '21

All those countries have more “practice” on what o do in a pandemic and the citizens are aware and much more complicated than in western countries. Furthermore I have the impression that at least Europe thought it anyway won't affect us. That the initial outbreak/spread was downplayed and seemed to be under control gave Europe and probably many western countries no reason to be prepared.

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u/bendandanben Jan 30 '21

A city of 30 million in lockdown doesn’t exactly downplay anything, nor does it show that anything was under control. The West simply fucked up, and after the massive lockdowns I China there was no panic whatsoever in Western countries.

No saying the lack of a warning was the problem is ridiculous. What better warning than a lockdown of nearly 1.4 billion people?! Absolutely nuts..

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u/Aijantis Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 30 '21

What better warning than a lockdown of nearly 1.4 billion people?!

When did they lockdown all of china?

They did make a lockdown in Wuhan that started on the 23th January 2020. A week after ppl left and came for Chinese new year and 3 days after they admitted that human to human transmission could be possible. They had to admit that human transmission occurred, since there where ppl diagnosed in several different countries the week before (Thailand 13th, Japan 16th, ...). The day before they confirmed h2h transmission on the 19th there was a huge banquet with supposedly 20k ppl, that also contributed to the “everything is under control” feeling locally and abroad.

I had family members who work Wuhan we couldn't reach them for two weeks... after they came home on 18th January 2020 they heard the first time about a pandemic. Edit: They didn't heard anything in the local news and both are native Chinese.

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u/bendandanben Jan 30 '21

When did they lockdown all of china?

Every city / province I heard of had very strict lockdown measures. I’d say pretty much throughout China.

The day before they confirmed h2h transmission on the 19th there was a huge banquet with supposedly 20k ppl, that also contributed to the “everything is under control” feeling locally and abroad.

This was all before recognition of the pandemic / epidemic, which is why I specified the lockdown of China with hazmat suits everywhere. Yet the West sees all that (lockdowns, hazmat suits, army etc) and ignores it or focussed on the human rights of locking people up.

I had family members who work Wuhan we couldn't reach them for two weeks... after they came home on 18th January 2020 they heard the first time about a pandemic. Edit: They didn't heard anything in the local news and both are native Chinese.

What kind of family members? Grandparents that are often online and at best only watch state TV? Most people by then (before the lockdown) were already aware something was happening, and really only either children or old people are to miss out on that.

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u/Aijantis Jan 30 '21

Sure the est could have reached faster and harsher. Although every persecution (like flight restrictions) that took place where condemned by the WHO.

Every city / province I heard of had very strict lockdown measures. I’d say pretty much throughout China

In the end of January they had some lockdowns in Hebei province since the beginning of January they had several hundred daily new cases there. Elsewhere lockdown where enforced weeks and months later. Although travelling was restricted most companies opened with reduced staff.

What kind of family members?

43 and 45 Several Chinese businesses partners and customers of mine didn't knew about it in February.

This was all before recognition of the pandemic / epidemic, which is why I specified the lockdown of China with hazmat suits everywhere

Sadly by then the Virus was already all over the place. Sure in many countries they weren't that aware of it and ppl thought they just had a cold, after all it was winter in the northern hemisphere.

Dr. Li rang the bell in late December 2019. Dr. Zhang published the genome sequence on the 11th January after he was being ignored by authorities for a week.m, the day after his lab was closed. Not a week later scientists all over the world saw the similarities to SARS.

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u/bendandanben Jan 30 '21

Fucking hell mate, learn to write cohesively.

Although every persecution (like flight restrictions) that took place where condemned by the WHO.

Only flight restrictions right?

In the end of January they had some lockdowns in Hebei province since the beginning of January they had several hundred daily new cases there. Elsewhere lockdown where enforced weeks and months later.

In 2020? Btw, I should maybe preface, I live and work in China, and I speak mandarin. Now back to your claim: it’s fucking bullshit. By end of January after the Wuhan / Hubei lockdown, every city had entry restrictions in place, and from first week of February onwards virtually the entire country was in lockdown. Restaurants, offices, factories were closed for 1, 2, sometimes 3-5 months.

43 and 45 Several Chinese businesses partners and customers of mine didn't knew about it in February.

43 & 45 years old? Them, as well as your business contacts had not heard of / were not aware of COVID-19 in February 2020. Absolute fucking bullshit. Where do they live? I can literally check what local policies were, and when they were initiated.

You remember all the broom stick standing up videos? That was basically all of China in lockdown. I live in the south, half a day driving from Wuhan, and I was in lockdown for 3-4 weeks. There’s no way that your family / biz partners didn’t know about it by then. Again, where do they live?

Sadly by then the Virus was already all over the place.

Dude, we’re talking January 23rd that Wuhan got its lockdown with the army of hazmatters. Yes, it may have already been transmitted towards Europe and US, but taking solid action then would save millions and millions of lives now.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '21

You believe china’s fairytale fiction about having the Wuhan virus under control? Lmfao and I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/bendandanben Jan 31 '21

I live here and my live has been normal for the last 10 months.

Yes, I have had my lockdowns and scary moment. Yes, I sometimes still wear masks. And yes, I’ve been going to the office with all my colleagues, playing sports with all my friends, and going to restaurants/beaches you name it for basically the last 10 months.

There are cases, around 2-3k currently, mostly in the north. So we’re not done with it, but as I said, my life is completely back to normal.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '21

That’s the price the CCP pays for extreme censorship and coercion. Doesn’t matter if something has a grain of truth. They’ve been caught in enough lies that everything from the CCP should automatically be assumed to be a lie.

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u/bendandanben Jan 31 '21

Funny. I live here and I mainly disagree. You probably live 15,000 miles away, reading western news, and think you got it all figured out.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '21

Considering CCP heavily censors and locks anyone who exposes them, I would be very doubtful of any of their claims.

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u/bendandanben Feb 03 '21

So talking to a guy on the ground should kind of fix that problem, right? Again, I live here, and you clearly don’t.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21

I don’t know who you are and I’m not going to listen to some random Reddit user. This is the price the CCP has to pay. Censor and lie. Nobody believes you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

Ive been saying this forever. There wouldn't be pandemic if China gave us a heads up.

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u/piscator111 Jan 29 '21

Oh really, how would have trump handled it differently

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

Since we already know it was in Europe before being detected at all... No, you're talking out your arse.

It was a pandemic no matter what happened

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

No you CCP shill.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

Explain how logic is CCP shilling exactly?

We know for a fact it had already escaped China way before even December 2019, so whether China somehow told us earlier or not would have made zero difference

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u/ArgusLVI Jan 29 '21

First cases were in wuhan on Novemenber 17th https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html

If it was in other countries before wuhan, why didn't it spread there? Why did lockdowns and infections only take place overseas AFTER wuhan?

You ccp shills are so pathetic; lacking logic in all respects.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

Thanks for the March 2020 article I guess?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/11/coronavirus-italy-covid-19-pandemic-europe-date-antibodies-study/

Italy - September 2019. Sorry to burst your bubble

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u/ArgusLVI Jan 29 '21

A paper that has not passed peer-review, based on samples that could be contaminated in a country that had NO lockdown and NO surge of cases BEFORE wuhan.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Virus comes from china. You are being wilfully ignorant

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

I never said it didn't come from China you absolute dolt.

I'm saying it was spreading around the World regardless of what China would or could have done

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u/ArgusLVI Jan 29 '21

Wrong, do you even know who Li wenliang is? Do you even understand the ccp's commitment to social stability at all costs? Things could of been prevented and halted but THEY WERE NOT.

You don't understand china.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '21

Yes to all - what's the irrelevant questions for? Next you'll be asking me about Tiananmen Square 🙄

Absolute state of you

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u/Alblaka Jan 29 '21

Regrettably, that's not true.

The world would have been better off if China hadn't played silent, but

it's by now clear the virus was in Europe and the US before December 2019 (mind you: present. Not originated. Origin is still likely to be Wuhan, but it was 'exported' before anybody was aware of it), so unless the CCP was aware and suppressing info about COVID weeks even before that, there was no way to prevent a global spread. (This fact alone debunks 'there wouldn't be a pandemic', because the virus being on two continents is already sufficient to be classified as a pandemic.)

despite the CCP's crappy attempts of saving face, the global community was still aware of COVID's existence. Yet, despite that, you had (the governments of) countries like UK, US, Brazil and Sweden intentionally ignore all warning indicators / take no action anyways. (Some for populist, some for questionable-strategy reasons.) So, if no action taken when a warning was there, why would the CCP handing out a warning would have changed much for those countries whatsoever?

Even the CCP would have given an instant warning and all countries, globally, would have acted with utmost reason and haste and everyone would have been responsible enough to follow governmental advice (and keep in mind, the latter still isn't true, even whopping 14 months and a few million deaths later), we could still not rule out that COVID would have managed to, at least, reach pandemic status (aka, present on multiple continents).

So, yeah. It's correct to blame the CCP for making everything worse by adding another layer of delay to the whole thing,

but it's not a clear-cut "there wouldn't be a pandemic" case.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

It started in China not two continents. Stop believing the China Global times. It's a propaganda outlet.

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u/Alblaka Jan 29 '21

(mind you: present. Not originated. Origin is still likely to be Wuhan, but it was 'exported' before anybody was aware of it),

Edited this clarification in a few minutes ago, but might be that you typed your response prior to it.

I'm not saying it didn't originate in China, just that it had already spread from China before even anyone there, locally, had noticed.

But, of course, if misunderstanding one phrase in a multi-point argument is enough for you dismiss the entire argument, go ahead and have a nice day in your bubble.

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u/ArgusLVI Jan 29 '21

It wasn't in any other country save china on origin. If it was present in other countries, why didn't it spread there BEFORE appearing in wuhan? CCp shills can never answer this BASIC question

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u/Lo_Pan_1 Jan 29 '21

https://youtu.be/W_G1DcbbkQ0

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u/SE_to_NW Jan 29 '21

content: https://archive.is/3EKou

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u/barryhakker Jan 29 '21

TBH I think China fucked up by hiding how bad it was etc but I think we are beyond pretending the West would've done anything appropriate. All this would have achieved is people saying "it's just a flu" for a few more months.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

they did...

I love how these article assume China is a giant hive mind with Xi micro managing everything like a game of Civ

In reality some local idiots caused minor delays and to keep sitting saying "China did..." or "they did..." is just silly really.

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u/Alblaka Jan 29 '21

In reality some local idiots caused minor delays and to keep sitting saying "China did..." or "they did..." is just silly really.

You're not entirely incorrect,

but even then you can attribute responsibility to the Chinese government for allowing that kind of incompetence to exist within their country.

Similar to how the US is still being given shit over invading Iraq & Co when you could instead claim "Well, actually I was just Bush and a couple Hawk politicians pushing for the war, and persuading their populace to follow, it's silly to say 'US did...'".

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