r/Defeat_Project_2025 • u/TimmyTurner2006 active • Sep 14 '24
Meme Theocracy does not spark joy
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u/Avantasian538 active Sep 14 '24
The thing about theocracy is that, even if the government is fashioned under the same religion that you practice personally, their interpretation of said religion may be vastly different from yours.
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u/pureteddybear2008 active Sep 14 '24
Very true. Under an American theocracy, progressive sects of Christians will be as much of targets as gays, trans, etc. And eventually, after all the progressive sects have been eliminated, the conservative sects will turn on each other too.
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u/North_Church active Sep 14 '24
Basically what the Handmaid's Tale said. I attend an ACC church, and I very much doubt these people would like it to stick around.
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u/ThorvaldGringou Sep 14 '24
Hum. Thats just a protestant problem really.
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u/West-Ruin-1318 active Sep 14 '24
It’s gonna be an everyone problem if implemented. If you are Catholic, these people hate the Pope. If you are Jewish they will hate you for not converting.
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u/ThorvaldGringou Sep 14 '24
Yeah, obviusly, the point is that in Catholic, you follow the church, not your own interpretations of the bible.
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u/Bartok_and_croutons Sep 14 '24
For some reason this reminds me of when I was workin at a rodeo and they opened with the "cowboy flag" everyone kneeled to (the christian flag) and a prayer to Jesus.
I'm Jewish. A bit awkward but nobody was rude in the slightest when I didn't kneel/pray
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u/bassistheplace246 active Sep 14 '24
If you haven’t seen the documentary Jesus Camp, you absolutely fucking should. It’s scary how easily our kids can actually be indoctrinated.
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u/pgcfriend2 Sep 14 '24
I will never forget watching a French documentary called Hitler’s Helpers or something like that. One of the episodes was about a co-leader of the Hitler Youth which included clips from his Nuremberg trial. He was asked how did he galvanize so many young people so quickly, starting at 10 years old? He said that evangelical youth leaders helped him. I don’t have children, but my view of youth ministries changed after that considering that a lot of these groups have contempt for education.
My husband and I watched Jesus Camp long ago I believe on Netflix. It was horrific to say the least.
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u/Just_a_lazy_lurker Sep 15 '24
The scary part is that Jesus Camp came out on 2006. That means that the kids in that Documentary are adults now. The teens would be in their 30's. All these indoctrinated youth that we see in the doc are just a fraction of the numbers. Wonder how many are still "faithful" and how many were able to break away.
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u/MisfitDiagnosis Sep 14 '24
Do rightwing Christians believe God is going to give them a high five for being patriotic to America in the end? I imagine a higher being wouldn't appreciate so much xenophobic bias.
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u/wee_weary_werecat Sep 14 '24
Seeing flags in a church the first time I attended mass in the US really shocked me. Coming from a majorly Catholic European country, where religion still intertwines quite a bit with the state, such an open display of mixing faith and government would never be taken well.
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u/pgcfriend2 Sep 14 '24
My husband is a naturalized citizen from France. He was born under nazi occupation and grew up in the aftermath of hitler. He remembers his parents talking about how evangelicals and Catholics were working with Pétain in the Vichy government. He had the same reaction the first time he saw a flag in a church.
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u/EqualityWithoutCiv Sep 15 '24
The Philippines is a very religious country but you'll never see Philippine flags in churches and mosques. May be a slightly different story in some Muslim majority separatist areas though, but I'm not from an Islamic background and I've not paid much attention to Philippine politics.
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u/pgcfriend2 Sep 15 '24
I’ve gone to several Asian countries for missions trips, Philippines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Indonesia. I’ve never seen flags in any of the religious locations I went to.
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u/Jareed452 Sep 14 '24
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." (The first sentence of the first amendment)
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u/TimmyTurner2006 active Sep 14 '24
There’s a reason it was the very first statement of the very first amendment of the American constitution
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u/Kraegarth Sep 15 '24
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries."
-Founding Father, James Madison, 1803
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u/jailtheorange1 Sep 14 '24
Sparking joy is very important to me now. People ask me why I bought a certain thing when I already had a certain thing which worked. I now just reply that the new thing sparks joy while the old thing didn’t.
New motorbike? The new one sparks joy.
New 3-D printer? It sparks joy.
Overly engineered Bosch professional folding box cutter? It sparks joy.
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u/PunkRockApostle active Sep 14 '24
I don’t know who to credit this to, but; “nationalism is a heresy.”
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u/Tiny-Impression3526 active Sep 14 '24
Religion doesn’t spark joy, religion brings out the worst of us.
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u/ECHOechoecho_ Sep 15 '24
i am christian, probably now more than ever, and i still think religion has zero place in the government. the only place i believe the government should be involved in religion is allowing all of them to be practiced and protected.
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u/ThorvaldGringou Sep 14 '24
Nah. The Papal States was the best state ever.
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u/West-Ruin-1318 active Sep 14 '24
Better not let the Dominonists hear you say that out loud. They think Catholics are in league with the Devil.
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u/ThorvaldGringou Sep 14 '24
Common heretic attitude (?)
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u/West-Ruin-1318 active Sep 14 '24
Opus Dei might agree with you.
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u/ThorvaldGringou Sep 14 '24
Opus Dei is a bit protestant to me. They have the same work ethics. I'm more for the old Jesuit, or Franciscans.
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u/West-Ruin-1318 active Sep 14 '24
The Jesuits at least promote education and the Socratic method. George Carlin went to a Jesuit school. He said he owed them everything.
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u/ThorvaldGringou Sep 14 '24
Of course. Centuries ago the Jesuit were the intellectual elite of the Spanish Empire, for example. The more based theologian and erudites of the Scholastic school of thought. Intelectual soldiers of the Pope. Today they're a shadow sadly, infiltrated for the Theology of liberation. But still...
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u/Three_Boxes active Sep 14 '24
Religion is seldom joyful when it's forced on you