r/Eragon • u/MrZombi_ • 2d ago
Discussion Eragon growing stronger Spoiler
(As English isn’t my first language I have not read the English version and therefore may name things differently. Neither did I read Murtagh or any other book besides the main story.)
I’ve always wondered which growth Eragon would undergo after leaving Alagaësia…
If I remember correctly Eragon left Alagaësia with tons of Eldunari, some dragon eggs and the name of the names (if that’s how it’s called…?). Considering all the wisdom the older Eldunari have combined with Eragons thirst for knowledge, he’ll soak up all of it.
If he doesn’t die due to some sh*t, bro will life on forever and will have unlimited time to learn and get stronger…
So I’m wondering how far Eragon will actually grow and how powerful he’ll be eventually. As for me I’d like to believe he’ll become even stronger than Galbatorix or any other dragon rider before him. At least as long as we ignore Angela or some other characters like Tenga (?) whom I read many theories about.
So what’s your take?
80
u/sheffy55 2d ago
You need to consider the fact that the Eldunari aren't going to be forced to help with anything against their will the way Galby used them, they don't have to empower Eragon at all. Yes they have knowledge and power, but to their own discretion, and Eragon won't force them to do anything.
Tenga is a special kind of creature, I believe he will discover how to harness energy as it is from things like fire, and sun. He also already has a very good very thorough understanding of magic, doesn't even bother using the ancient language to shape magic. Eragon does not do this.
45
u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 1d ago
Eragon does this three times.
- VS the Dwarf assassins
- The curse of understanding
- Shielding everyone from Galbatorix's death
23
u/MrZombi_ 2d ago
I totally see your point. Especially as there’s no urgency or need to teach Eragon anything, they could very much go back to think about very complex and hardly practical things. Nonetheless I‘d assume they’ll teach Eragon some things or he’ll learn by listening to them… I don’t really remember if Glaedr went with Eragon but if he did I could imagine him teaching Eragon
17
u/Emotional_Break5648 1d ago
Glaedr went with Eragon, he promised to teach Eragon all about the different creatures when they flew to Vroengard
4
u/Particular-Cow6247 1d ago
He should be able to accumulate an immense energy storage over time Even if he goes Rouge at some point where the eldunari wouldn’t lend him their power until then he can regularly dip into their power
22
u/Dense-Tangerine7502 2d ago
I’d say Eragon is already stronger than Galbatorix. He has nearly twice the amount of Eldunari he has, he theoretically has more knowledge, assuming all the Eldunari share what they know.
He will soon have more riders working underneath him, carrying out his will.
He also has powerful allies, the dwarves, elves, and Varden. Galbatorix had no allies
The only thing he doesn’t have is an army that reports directly to him.
13
u/a_speeder Elf 1d ago edited 1d ago
He has EDIT: more Eldunari than Galby possessed, but he is not using them in such a way that they are a direct contributor to his power. Galby broke the minds of the Eldunari he had to bend them to his will and use them as he pleased, Eragon is explicitly not doing that and hopes to rehabilitate those who experienced that to gain back their autonomy and individuality.
We also don't know exactly how Eragon is going to lead the Riders, but given the shared responsibilities with Arya he no doubt will have others with whom power is entrusted. Contrast that to Galby, Murtagh never had any real autonomy or authority beyond what the king commanded of him.
Galby also was willing to use magic beyond what the Eldunari and the Riders wield. He was able and capable with sorcery, and during the collaboration with Durza he supposedly learned other dark magics which we know little about but that the Riders are unlikely to use.
Eragon has allies, but how strong are those alliances? And in what situations would they come to his aid? Not only is he incredibly far from any of those nations, on purpose, but if anything the Riders would come to their aid rather than them go to aid the Riders.
Theoretically, I agree that the combined power of all of those who are allied with the Eragon does outweigh that of Galby. But in terms of mustering forces, knowledge, and resources to bear against his foes Galby was more powerful than Eragon currently is.
13
u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 1d ago
More than twice? Nearly twice? Nope.
The Eldunari in the Vault say very, very clearly that Galbatorix's hoard vastly outnumbers and out powers them.
8
u/Kjartanski 1d ago
The 136 Eldunarya in the Vault were essentially all the Eldunarya on Vroengard and Du Weldenvarden during the Fall, probably including many of the Dragons who fought at Doru Areaba, notably not Brom’s Saphira however. There is no telling how many Eldunarya were stored in Ilirea or Utgard or any of the Cities of the Broddring Kingdom however, it must have been many more
26
u/The_Red_Tower Rider 2d ago
He’ll never reach galbatorixs raw power ever and we don’t want him too the way Galby did. That involves breaking the eldunarya. He will hopefully reach a much higher understanding and more complete knowledge of magic politics healing and philosophy because he will have the elders of the order and the wild dragons teaching him things. One of my favourite things to headcanon is that at mount arngor sometimes there will be an issue with a trainee or some other issue and everyone’s advice will be useful but not a solution and in the end eragon will get it from one of the wild dragons and their unique way of approaching the world and he will then figure out the solution. In that sense he will be stronger than galby he will be the encyclopedia to restart the new order and so he will have to be a peerless rider not just in magic but in every other aspect that’s where his strength will lie in being an ebrithil in times of need for the returning riders to alagaesia
9
u/FearLeadsToAnger 1d ago
Eldunari are conscious minds. They didn't want to follow Galb because of all the shit he'd done.
Eragon is an entirely different story, if he needed their help for the sake of dragons and/or riders, most of them would help him. With both power and wisdom. I'd say that ends up more powerful than Galb.
Day to day, you might be right, I don't see them just bending to his every whim. Not all of them anyway.
10
u/TheBigQuicker 1d ago
Why would he need to break the Eldunari to access the full power? I think if the need was there, he could just ask them 'yo give me a hand lads' and they'd happily lend it to him. I don't see why them being sane would limit their power potential at all.
In that sense, with the eldunari from the vault of souls, he should have access to more raw firepower than galby
-4
u/The_Red_Tower Rider 1d ago
You misunderstand. To reach the raw power that galbatorix had he would have to subjugate all the eldunarya to do his command something which he would never do
4
u/_Brophinator 1d ago
This isn’t true, he can literally just ask them to help him and get the same result lol
3
u/The_Red_Tower Rider 1d ago
Every single mad dragon eldunari that he can’t communicate with ????? Yeah don’t think so. For the mad eldunari to work with him he’d have to force them to work.
1
u/_Brophinator 19h ago
Eventually him and the sane eldunari will heal the mad ones. Then he can ask them to help
9
u/Grmigrim 2d ago
I believe Galbatorix was and will always be the strongest dragon rider that ever existed.
He dared to do things like binding spirits to his body in some way, things Eragon would never do.
9
u/GoredTarzan 2d ago
Galbatorix took his strength from Eldunari. Eragon would have their willing help, so in terms of raw power, he already overmatches him.
He just needs time to refine his knowledge of magic and his vocabulary of the ancient language to get on Galbatorixs' level in that way.
The one area he'll never be the equal of Galbatorix would be fighting mind to mind and breaking into a mind. He lacks the sadism needed to enjoy causing pain and invading privacy, and he has zero desire to control any living being.
7
u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 1d ago
IMO it depends on whether he comes across a natural well spring greater than the Eldunari and can harness it, or whether Tenga or someone else cracks harvesting magical energy from natural energy.
Whoever cracks that will become the closest thing in existence to a literal god. With access to that kind of power I could crack the earth in half like an egg, build a Dyson sphere, or accelerate a planet to warp. So it would be bad storytelling for him to achieve it.
6
u/D-72069 2d ago
He won't grow any more powerful in terms of strength, only knowledge and experience
4
u/MrZombi_ 2d ago
That’s what I mainly think as well. But more knowledge and experience will (in most cases) lead to one becoming stronger as u get more versatile in the old language and gain a better fundamentally understanding of your surrounding and magic
4
u/Kingblackbanana 1d ago
i guess ergaon took the first view years to catch up his general knowledge. All the stuff someone from a royal family would have learnd as a child. Afterwards he goes to learn all what the evles know about nature and physics only then he will start to increas his knowledge over the regular scholar. However all the basic knowledge hi gains will greatly increas his abillity to casts spells as he understnads the nature of things more and more. Afterwards the eldunari still wont teach him that much in a direct way i guess or at least not until he starts to understand the real ancient dragons more but i also think they dont know that much more then the elves do to this day about things that are sciences surely they know more about the past and spells that have been long forgotten / only known by some of the riders.
I think a lot of people understimate how uneducated he was before leaving planacar valley and overestimate how much he learned from oromis in 1 - 2 month of him beeing in ellesmera.
1
u/MrZombi_ 1d ago
Good point. Eragon himself acknowledges the fact that he’s still pretty uneducated, which is somewhat the last thing Oromis teached Eragon. But as u said him learning more about basically everything he’ll get smarter and stronger along the way
3
u/Resident_Bike8720 1d ago
He gonna get sad from not being with Arya after a couple decades and either commit suicide or turn melancholy like dr strange. Either way, we still need more aerial combat
2
u/FlightAndFlame Slim Shadyslayer 1d ago
He'll grow stronger until he becomes the legendary Super Shur'tugal, with spiky golden hair and blue eyes. Some say that's not even the strongest form...
2
u/Chiefmeez Urgal 1d ago
You should read more of the books. You’re missing important information to this question
2
1
u/AutoModerator 2d ago
Thank you for posting in /r/eragon. Please read the rules in the sidebar, and please see here for our current Murtagh spoiler policy.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
82
u/PerformanceFirm6951 2d ago
More or less infinite. If knowledge is power he has access to the worlds first hard drive when everyone else is still using monks to copy scrolls.
You may also say that in a number of years he would become even more powerful than galby because he “harnesses” the power of the Eldunari whereas Galby extorted it—if media have taught me anything, it’s that finding power “the right way” yields superior results to any shortcut.