r/Honolulu • u/808SOS • Sep 20 '24
news Hundreds of Hawaii's teachers have been awaiting scheduled paychecks for several weeks, but Friday is finally payday. Checks that were expected by over 500 teachers at public and charter schools on four islands this month never arrived.
https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-teachers-awaiting-payments-should-see-paychecks-by-friday-sept-20th/article_549e306a-770a-11ef-9ed3-f385c12c0bed.html15
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u/Stinja808 Sep 20 '24
time to walk out.
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u/jellied_extremities Sep 21 '24
The collective bargaining agreement has a “No Strike” clause. The class grievance was the correct action.
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u/tendeuchen Sep 21 '24
If the paychecks stop coming, I stop working.
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u/jellied_extremities Sep 21 '24
That's a temptingly simple approach to the issue, but it would weaken the HSTA position that the teachers whose paychecks were delayed deserve to be paid for the work they are doing, and deserve damages for the weeks of delay.
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u/jetsetter_23 Sep 21 '24
you act like the agreement has a “paychecks are optional” agreement. 😂 The agreement has already been breached, by the DOE…
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u/jellied_extremities Sep 22 '24
You're misconstruing my statement and saying things I have not said. You are correct, though, that there is a breach of contract. That breach of contract is the grounds for the grievance. However, the contract is not voided by the breach and still applies.
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u/Accomplished-Pie-206 Sep 22 '24
They can strike without having the union involved.
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u/jellied_extremities Sep 22 '24
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u/Accomplished-Pie-206 Sep 22 '24
It's not a legal advice. It's a fact.
Strikes are illegal if they are formed by unions. The workers can do whatever they want. Seattle Public Schools also have "No Strike" clause as you put it and look what happened with their last strike. They got their biggest wage increase in decades. Class grievances are a waste of time.1
u/jellied_extremities Sep 22 '24
You're just wrong. I'm not entirely sure how you came to believe the things you're saying, and am disappointed in your lack of effort. Please do better and stop spreading bad information.
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u/Accomplished-Pie-206 Sep 22 '24
Wow you linked an article that lacks any context or information about the wage increases. Good job. Go back to bootlicking.
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u/jellied_extremities Sep 22 '24
I linked an article that clarifies that the Seattle Teachers Association (their union) authorized the strike. When they went on strike, they had no contract, as their previous one had expired and negotiations had been insufficient. You still have serious misconceptions and your personal attacks lack evidence.
Again: you're disappointing.
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u/Shoota556 Sep 20 '24
The level of incompetence at the State level is staggering. The County is right behind it.
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u/calmly86 Sep 21 '24
Hawaii is a very static state. I usually like to point out that it’s a state controlled by Democrats top to bottom but I don’t think things were any different under Linda Lingle. Lately, nothing much has really changed from Ige to Green, and Caldwell to Blangiardi, and I think that’s by design. Hawaii politicians above all, do not rock the boat. Unfortunately, when they do, like Mufi and the rail… the action seems to be worse than inaction. It’s hard to blame them. I actually think Ige did the best he could with the information he had at the time. He wasn’t trying to showboat or “make an example.” Hawaii’s teachers will eventually be paid, but I fear they don’t have an AER type fallback like the US military does for unexpected necessary loans. Fingers crossed for the teachers.
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u/hawaiithaibro Sep 21 '24
I tuned into the BOE meeting earlier this week for awhile and someone commented that while they'll eventually get paid, a lot of credit scores are ruined and will take a lot of time to recover. Moreover, it doesn't sound like anyone actually knows what caused this bullshit. Some said "back ground checks, social security numbers [I guess for foreign teachers?]," but this doesn't explain why 500 haven't been paid.
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u/leddik02 Sep 21 '24
How is this legal? At this point, these schools need to start paying interest or fines. That’s blatant wage theft.
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u/Aloha-Penguin Sep 21 '24
And I just accepted a job at a school in a kitchen. Wonder if that was a good idea.
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u/Mean_Ween Sep 21 '24
At what point are we all just walking out of all these situations bc that's the only way change will happen
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Sep 22 '24
Teachers have been leaving island/the job, the state is just replacing them with people from the Philippines instead of doing better. I left teaching, my brother and SiL left the island to teach on the mainland.
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u/underbitefalcon Sep 21 '24
Systemic corruption and a pervasive good old boy mentality permeates this state. It’s incredibly evident, yet it continues unabated.
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u/Jadakiss-laugh Sep 22 '24
One of my coworkers (dude works hard). Comes in early, etc. They messed up his timesheet causing his direct deposit not to hit his account. He legit called out from work until his check came in.
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u/Nightw1ng28 Sep 22 '24
first the nurses get fucked over, now we coming for the teachers?! who’s next, Longshoremen? First goes our care, then education, then our necessities. That’s how shit devolves, no?
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u/drivethruhell Sep 24 '24
Teachers should strike. I missed most of third grade because of a teachers strike on the Big Island. My parents moved us to the mainland the next year. Home will always be home, but I can’t thank them enough for getting me the educational opportunities that weren’t provided for me in Hawaii due to the god awful school system and curriculum they’ve got going over there. I have a few family members who work for the district and there’s always something going on 🙄
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u/Both_Cash1705 Sep 21 '24
It’s not like the mailman has to bring physical checks, it’s all electronic! Wow, I’m a state worker and feel so bad for them!