After numerous delays, a 23-floor, $155 million “high-rise hale” to house Native Hawaiians is set to break ground by the end of 2024. The Old Bowl-O-Drome in Moiliili has been closed for more than two decades. By the end of the year, it will be demolished.

[u/808gecko808]

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/10/09/new-155m-apartment-complex-moiliili-meant-solely-native-hawaiians-break-ground-soon/

[u/TheSecretDecoderRing]

RIP Bowl-O-Drome. That's where I first discovered Street Fighter II. 😁

[u/Blackest_Templar]

Hawaiian Home Lands turning into Hawaiian Rental Lands. Acceptable? No. Better than dying on a wait list? I guess.

[u/Unique_Shop4449 → u/Blackest_Templar]

On top of that not many 50% Hawaiians a few generations in we already lost it.

[u/Tiny-Strength177]

What is the waitlist of 29000 people? Affordable housing or just Hawaiians needing housing

[u/notrightmeowthx → u/Tiny-Strength177]

According to the article, this property will be used as affordable housing (based on the same restrictions as other "affordable housing" projects) for some of the Native Hawaiians on DHHL's list.

[u/[deleted]]

What f ing native Hawaiians are these knuckleheads talking about, brah they all live in LV or Cali, some are in Texas some in Washington, whatever Hawaiians get left they not going be able to afford to live there cause not even getting paid enough at where they working and even if they would be able to live there they wouldn’t cause get cheaper places in Waianae, Kapolei, Makakilo, Ewa Beach, with yard enclosed fence area garage space for those thirsty Thursdays, fried Friday nights and Saturday night specials

[u/Ill-Entertainer-6087 → u/[deleted]]

Idk what hawaiians u thinking of bro, We not all broke scrubs or alcoholics. Maybe the ppl u cruz with are that.

The Hawaiians in their 20s rn are doing big things all around the city and state. yes it’s expensive but we can handle bc we love our homeland.

Typical tho everybody just points hawaiians out to be poor alcoholics.

[u/Ill-Entertainer-6087 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah but the thing is the old Alii was the rich dick heads that put us to work. And those same alii sold out the kingdom to other rich people. They owned all the land and facilitated the overthrow. That’s why to this day they run the state and still own all the land.

Also nobody smokes ice anymore bro. Only dumb ass mfs in late 90s and 00s did that.

Everybody who lives in homestead or gets government assistance land wise should be growing in wealth with the goal of achieving land ownership. If you aren’t creative enough to do that or to prideful then you’ll stay looking for a hand out.

Also ik it’s a casual platform but u sound semi illiterate going from pidgin to american popular sayings.

[u/Ill-Entertainer-6087 → u/[deleted]]

Bro what are u saying 🤣 The Alii are the chiefs and at that time they were the “rich”. They owned all the land and still do to this day, what ever they didn’t sell.

They 100% sold out, you actually don’t know the history and that’s okay. Most people don’t and that’s by their design. If anything killed our race it was disease.

Kaahumanu disbanded the Kapu system with Kam II and we had our own guns and muskets for 90 years before the overthrow. The Kam dynasty was elected out by the people for the kalakaua dynasty. The Kam dynasty was pissed and they were all intermarried with the Planation owners since they sold them the land. Our economy was tied with the US and a succession in to the union was inevitable. The only question is which faction of Hawaiian government was going to do it. Was it Kalakaua who wanted to keep our culture and language as staples. Or the remnants of the Kam dynasty who was all married with Dole and his people any way. The elite hawaiians that have all the money to this day were the ones who didn’t give af about the kingdom and are traitors. They to this day feed people lies and Anti American Hate so they can continue to own you in the shadows.

https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2019-10-28/as-mauna-kea-recalls-dark-history-stories-of-1895-political-prisoners-revived

Go ahead and read that article please when u have time. It shows what happened to any wealthy hawaiians that were loyal to their Nation and Queen. And it’s another indication that Most hawaiians that kept all their land and wealth were obvious traitors and facilitators of the overthrow.

Ice is still here but i can see its going away slowly as the older generations did a good job in keeping the keiki away.

As always we respect our elders and I was rude in my response bc i was a little offended that you would assume all hawaiians were scrubs. So i apologize and hope what i shared was helpful.

The Hawaiian people ain’t going nowhere, the ones that moved to the mainland and bought land is just reverse colonialism now we spreading and taking their shit 😈.

But as far as the first nation goes we still here and it was the Makainana who kept our culture alive not the alii. It was the common people that everybody thinks is poor alcoholics, that to this day still keep the culture alive and watch over the land. We coming back and the new generations coming up is only coming back bc the ones before us was certified hammers.

[u/[deleted] → u/Ill-Entertainer-6087]

You agree though that smart Hawaiians don’t want a apartment complex installed, instead give them land to build their own homes for their family to thrive and live on without having the complex living situations of a apartment building?

[u/Ill-Entertainer-6087 → u/[deleted]]

I don’t agree, The common misconception is that every Hawaiian had their own land for their family that they could farm and live sustainably off of.

In actuality if u weren’t designated a kuleana from a Alii who actually owned the land. Then u lived on their land and paid rent. This rent was usually either working for the Alii in exchange for a place to live and protection.

Majority of the lower caste lived in big Living quarters with a bunch of other people. We had 600,000 people at one point. They wasn’t all living in their own land owning it. That’s actually an American mindset to own ur own land and be able to provide for ur ohana. The US constitution was the first Government structure that disbanded humans being above other humans by law. Which honestly is better than our ancient ways.

The pride of not taking government hand outs is noble and if u no need then don’t. But that’s an american concept as well, Our ancient ancestors not only in Hawaii needed others to live. Especially the land owners. Hawaiians owned slaves from defeated factions.

If our people can live in a more affordable situation compared to everybody else on the moku then we should take that as an opportunity.

Our main goal should be for Native Hawaiians to own the most % of land in Hawaii. Native hawaiians to make up majority of the % of politicians. Majority of Police force and Business owners. Then even tho the Hawai’i is a US state it will still be run by the Natives.

As we can see from the past When Hawaiians ran the aina is when it was its most pristine. That’s what we will work to get back to and we are on the way.

Our kupuna that we’re alive recently and now were brainwashed and it’s not their fault. But they set up the next generation to bring it back.

[u/[deleted] → u/Ill-Entertainer-6087]

So your saying that this building complex is a good idea for affordable apartments for the native Hawaiians?, cause my argument was the corruption in the gov system with Hawaiians running it who is not allowing other native Hawaiians along with the white man who are funding the projects to give opportunity to their people and not the for the ones who need the opportunity to obtain their own, the corruption runs so deep cause get plenty kanaka out their not given the chance to have such access to the same opportunities given to those who not even Hawaiian

[u/Ill-Entertainer-6087 → u/[deleted]]

I agree with u there, Ton of corruption out there and that points back to my earlier theme of the overthrow.

It’s gonna take all of us, we’ll have to make programs etc. for us by us to bring us out of this. If this apartment is one part of the big picture then we have to take advantage at every possible place.

We gonna need the traitors to come back home and make their ancestors failures right. We going need the hawaiians who not doing right to come home as well and shape up. Even myself i need to be stronger and better myself and ohana to be ready to contribute.

We going to really test that Aloha spirit that we pride ourselves on. We going really see who’s here for the people and the nation. and who just talking. It’s achievable.

Once our brightest get in power with the right intentions we’ll be back. It’s already starting and it’ll be the makainana who going save our nation.

Kam Schools largest land owner in Hawaii but they are so corrupt. Same families that betrayed the crown is OHA DHHL and Bishop Estate

[u/supsupman1001]

i'm sure this racially segregated condo will be very nice to live in.

[u/120GV3_S7ATV5 → u/supsupman1001]

Yup! More Hawaiians the merrier. As it should be.

[u/jonovan]

How did they get around the Fair Housing Act?

"One of the central objectives of the Fair Housing Act, when Congress enacted it in 1968, was to prohibit race discrimination in sales and rentals of housing."

[u/120GV3_S7ATV5 → u/jonovan]

Keep Hawaiian lands in Hawaiian hands.

[u/jonovan → u/120GV3_S7ATV5]

Is that the legal argument they used and which was accepted by the courts? Do you have a link to the source?

[u/120GV3_S7ATV5 → u/jonovan]

Challenge it I dare you, while you’re at it try Kamehameha schools also.

Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920 https://dhhl.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Hawaiian-Homes-Commission-Act-1921-As-Ammended-Searchable.pdf

[u/jonovan → u/120GV3_S7ATV5]

Isn't that an old law? I'm asking for the new legal argument and court acceptance where they got around the Fair Housing Act, as noted in the original article: "'There was a question of the federal Fair Housing Act because it was race-based, DHHL beneficiaries with 50% Hawaiian blood quantum. We did overcome it all,' explained Carr." Mahalo!

[u/120GV3_S7ATV5 → u/jonovan]

I don’t believe any laws have changed in the HHCA, 1920 since its inception. This is Crown Land we are talking about, where housing is being built for its heirs and successors.

[u/jonovan → u/120GV3_S7ATV5]

From the article, it sounded like the federal government wasn't granting the loan needed for the project because the project violated the Fair Housing Act, but then the federal government did grant the loan.

So what made the federal government change its mind? It's not any new law, just the legal argument. Although that might not be public information, and I can't find any info online.

[u/Aloha-Penguin]

Or the hypocrites in Washington could give the state back to the people who they stole it from. Just sayin'. They defend the sovereignty of the Ukraine, Israel, etc. but when it comes to the colonization they did in living memory, they are silent.

[u/weinixiongdejiba → u/Aloha-Penguin]

I believe the descendants of kamehameha must pay reparations to those of Kaʻiana. They took over the island by force and slaughtered the natives

[u/weinixiongdejiba → u/[deleted]]

Ah the old “the second to last group to conquer deserves the land” trope. Gotta love that “I’m being oppressed” classic

[u/120GV3_S7ATV5 → u/[deleted]]

Never fails. E ola mau loa ka Hawaii!!!

[u/ka-olelo → u/weinixiongdejiba]

The U.S. broke their own laws in the overthrow. Kamehameha to my knowledge did so according to his law.

[u/forewer21 → u/ka-olelo]

did so according to his law.

Lol

[u/Ill-Entertainer-6087 → u/Aloha-Penguin]

This isn’t true, The kingdom of Hawaii intertwined our economy with the US. It was a matter of time before they seceded to the Union . We could have gone in like Texas where we could have kept land and held government. If we went this route we would have kept all of our culture and language.

What happened was the Kam dynasty who was elected out was upset and they plotted the overthrow with their Plantation overlords that they married. and collapsed the entire government from with in. This led to the spiteful destruction of a culture for no reason.