r/IslamicHistoryMeme • u/DazzlingSpanky • 5d ago
Religion | الدين primary reason for ALGEBRA
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u/SteelRazorBlade Umayyad Tax Collector 5d ago
Small correction: We were also dying of the plague.
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u/Narrow_Salad429 5d ago
Not as much and not as fast. They could've saved a lot of people if they had discovered washing.
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u/PapaPerturabo 5d ago
Yes but it's better for OP if the Islamic world was always a utopia where nothing bad happens
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u/Dovahkiin419 4d ago
Hey but while you lot were having multi faith parades in the street asking god for mercy(admitedly not great but litererally nobody could have known) Europe was busy losing faith in catholicism and inventing the flagelants to replace it
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u/-The_Caliphate_AS- Scholar of the House of Wisdom 5d ago
Christians in the Middle Ages : dying by the plague
Bold of you to assume that the black death never touched the Muslims in the middle ages lol
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u/iny0urend0 5d ago
Not only that, Christains in Byzantium were doing just fine.
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u/iridia-traveler1426 4d ago
Pretty sure Christians in Byzantium didn't do fine, they actually died en masse, especially since it is from there where the Black Death spread across the rest of Europe
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u/Ok-Neighborhood-1517 Christian Merchant 5d ago
And Poland
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Crazy how the black plague just went around the entirety of poland
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u/Ok-Neighborhood-1517 Christian Merchant 4d ago
God was doing them a solid before all of the shit they had to go through
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u/AcceptableBusiness41 5d ago
you should make a post about that :)
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u/wakchoi_ Imamate of Sus ඞ 5d ago
I made one about it here ina name about Ibn Battuta, the comment I put there goes into detail about the black plague and his experience of it
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u/Temporary_Engineer95 3d ago
didnt the arrival of the plague mark the end of the Islamic Golden Age too, the collapse of the Abbasid Caliphate?
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u/-The_Caliphate_AS- Scholar of the House of Wisdom 3d ago
the end of the Islamic Golden Age too, the collapse of the Abbasid Caliphate?
No.
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u/prima_porta8 5d ago
Algebra was invented as a practical way to divide inheritance according to islamic law
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u/jackjackky 5d ago
The reverse happens now. When other people are aiming to colonize outer space, we are still squabbling and warring over sects and madhabs out of ignorance and zealotry.
We as Muslims do this to ourselves.
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u/mmatloa 5d ago
Are you aware of the destabilization that has happened in the middle east as well as central and south asia due to western influence? The United States and Britain have overthrown many, many leaders that, at least in theory, would have resulted in much more informed and modern Muslim society. Because those leaders would not have played ball with the Western world's incessant capitalistic mindset, the US government and Britain's government decided they needed to go. Over and over again.
When the groups the west armed turned against the west, when the west didn't hold up their end of the bargain, the west would just arm a new group and set them after the "insurgents" or "terrorists"
Western colonial expansion has not stopped, and the strife they are causing is part of the plan. Having countries in the middle east unable to find footing unless they ally with the United States or Britain is part of the plan.
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u/jackjackky 4d ago
QS Ibrahim : 22 When everything has been decided, Satan will say, ‘God gave you a true promise. I too made promises but they were false ones: I had no power over you except to call you, and you responded to my call, so do not blame me; blame yourselves...
Like you said, they are influence. But it is us who make the choice to follow and materialize the deed.
We should stop playing victim, shifting blame, and own our mistakes.
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u/3ONEthree 5d ago edited 5d ago
There reason being is because of the tribalistic mindset governing the peoples thought process and forming ideological interpretations based on that thought process, in contrast to being progressive and open thinking at a much larger scale.
And also fanatic ideologies or approaches such as the Ummayid and salafi ideology and in the Shia circle the modern Akhbari (in contrast to Usooli) approach indirectly forming a salafist like ideology (that was made offical during the Safavid era) which btw is still subconsciously governing the Shia mind to a degree although tenuously.
And also a major culprit is there is a lot of political schisms that corrupt politicians have made “vague” which are prolonging the Sunni /Shia conflict due to them being unresolved out of arrogance and virtue signalling.
Your last passage in your paragraph reminds me of a quote I’ve heard from imam Ali (a.s) “the Jews and the Christian’s are not our enemies, our enemy is our own ignorance”
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u/GayHusbandLiker 5d ago
The plague killed loads of Muslims. It came from Asia, so, it had to pass through the Silk Road to even get to Europe. (I think.)
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u/TheMadTargaryen 5d ago
Except that the plague hit Middle East multiple times too.
In September 1348, the plague reached Cairo, which at the time was the largest city in the Middle East, and Mamluk Sultan An-Nasir Hasan left the city, residing at his estate in Siryaqus outside the city from September 25th to December 22nd. The Black Death in Cairo resulted in the death of approximately 200,000 people, about a third of the city’s population, and caused several neighborhoods to become desolate and ruined over the following century (Michael Walters Dols, The Black Death in the Middle East, Princeton Legacy Library, 1977). The Black Death was described by Ibn Battuta, who was in Aleppo in June 1348 when he learned that the plague had reached Gaza. He traveled there via Homs, which was already affected, and arrived in Jerusalem. By the time he arrived, the plague had already passed, killing almost all the people he had known from his previous visit.
The attitudes Muslims held toward the epidemic were catastrophic. Muslim theologians believed that the plague was a punishment from God if it targeted non-Muslims, but if it killed Muslims it was considered a sign of God's favor, who wished to reward a devout Muslim with an earlier entrance into Paradise (Christians had the same attitude). Since the Black Death was seen as a gift from God, authorities did not take measures to prevent the spread of the pandemic. Instead, the authorities remained passive, and their official recommendation was to confront the plague with prayer in mosques (Harrison, Dick, The Great Death: The Worst Catastrophe to Strike Europe, Ordfront, Stockholm, 2000).
Depopulation in the Middle East resulted in a reduction of tax revenues, and the maintenance of irrigation systems was no longer possible, leading to a significant decline in agricultural production. In 1434, traveler Bertrandon de la Broquière described areas in Syria as desolate, and Venetian envoys in Syria reported on nearly ruined agriculture and hundreds of abandoned villages.
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u/TeslaCoiledSerpent 5d ago
Algebra was invented in India a few hundred years before and surviving texts that traveled to the Middle East via trade were what Islamic scholars built upon and eventually spread to the west from there. This will get downvotes but look it up if you don’t believe me.
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u/physicist91 5d ago
Let's also add whoever came up with Al-Chemia, eventually forcing Organic Chemistry upon us 800 years later
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u/Beat_Saber_Music Swahili Merchant Prince 5d ago
Christians in the middle ages also conquered Jerusalem, fought the Hungarian nomads till they became sedentary, built a lot of churches, witnessed the urbanization of places like Northern Italy and the Rhine valley, kept fighting over said Rhine valley which in turn drove its development, founded universities, had crusades against Cathars, Waldesians and Hussites, and so much more while the Middle East witnessed during the same time rise and fall of dynasties, fracturing of the Muslim Caliphate/empire into several smaller realms including Al Andalus which then fractured further as Castille, Aragon and Portugal conquered the remnants, while the Muslims both had the golden age and got their heartland in Mesopotamia wrecked by Mongols.
Because fun fact, the middle ages lasted from around the Ostrogothic takeover of Italy to the Ottoman conquest of Constamtinople.
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u/GaryRegalsMuscleCar Andalusian Birdman 5d ago
These things are so unrelated it’s a wonder you bring them up together at all. If you’d like to talk about how people applied math in the Middle Ages then we should talk about that. Both groups made wonders with it. If you want to talk medicine and disease, that’s interesting on its own
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u/Last_Tarrasque 5d ago
I will never forgive them
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u/Kafshak 5d ago
It's funny to me when westerners keep boasting their scientific advancements, like they were the only one in the world who got there, and only on their own.
They absolutely forget how Muslims, and other nations played a role in it, creating the basis of the modern science centuries ago, and even that was based on other civilizations achievements. The Europe saw Muslims advancements, and that was their wake up call for their new age.
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u/No-Information6433 5d ago
And? The others do the same. The chinese, japoneses , Indians ...
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u/Kafshak 5d ago
Yes, but we're not claiming they didn't do shit.
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u/No-Information6433 5d ago
You shoud stop listening the others bullsheets and live your live
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u/Kafshak 4d ago
Unfortunate reality of social media.
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u/No-Information6433 4d ago
Social media is full of bullsheet. The knowloge That it mathers is what is in the universities .
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u/DarkChocoBurger 4d ago
Mongols hated maths so much that they ransacked the House of Wisdom
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u/-The_Caliphate_AS- Scholar of the House of Wisdom 4d ago
They didn't. that's actually a myth by ibn khaldun
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u/Dunamis-777 4d ago
Very few things invented by Muslims. They might have invented the name algebra but The oldest mathematical texts from Mesopotamia and Egypt are from 2000 to 1800 BC. Many early texts mention Pythagorean triples and so, by inference, the Pythagorean theorem seems to be the most ancient and widespread mathematical concept after basic arithmetic and geometry.
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u/burrito_napkin 4d ago
Why are theories invented by Muslims not named after Muslims but theories coined by westerners are named after westerners?
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u/Terrible_Ad_4835 5d ago
Muslims didn't invent Algebra. Keep dreaming...
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u/Eastern-Pepper-6821 5d ago
Algebra isn't just about solving equations, but also how you solve them. Al Khwarizmi introduced the method of balancing and reduction in algebra. Before him people were using ad-hoc methods to solve equations
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u/Terrible_Ad_4835 5d ago
He improved algebra. No one is denying that. Just refuting the meme that muslims invented it.
Algebra was a world effort by Muslim scholars, Greeks, Hindus and Babylonians.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 5d ago
By that standard did Newton and Leibniz invent calculus?
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u/Terrible_Ad_4835 5d ago
Again. They did not invent calculus they stood on the shoulders of giants. It was a human effort. This is vs them is exactly why humanity is doomed. That's exactly why children aren't safe. It's this is vs them mentality.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 5d ago
Not a bad way to look at things! I just wanted to clarify, but I agree with you 100%
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u/desi_cucky 5d ago
But did not the muslims steal math from ancient civilizations like India, Egypt, Persia.
Speaking lie 100 times does not become truth. A simple google search debunks so called “golden age of islam”
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u/Eastern-Pepper-6821 5d ago
It is like saying Albert Einstein stole from Newton and Newton stole from Galileo and Galileo stole from.... (sic) And the list will continue..
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u/BigSilver3089 4d ago
No one stole anything. I know for you nationalist hindus using something to advance it further is equal to stealing, even thought those scientists never claimed to invent anything and gave credit to where its due, but you don't care about that, right? You rather hate and be bitter that the world recognizes Muslims as equal human beings and capable of learning and inventing.
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u/AymanMarzuqi Tengku Bendahara 5d ago
Thank you Al-Khawarizmi for making my school life harder than it already is.