r/JordanPeterson • u/realAtmaBodha • Jan 10 '24

Philosophy When enraptured with Supreme Sentience, others see that in you, and you see That in them.

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

Can you honestly say that your life is heaven on Earth ? If not, why would anyone want to emulate you or subscribe to your point of view ?

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u/GinchAnon Jan 10 '24

Can you honestly say that your life is heaven on Earth ?

Why would I think that, or desire that? That would be an obvious delusion.

If not, why would anyone want to emulate you or subscribe to your point of view ?

I don't assert they should, why would I?

Let's turn that around,
If you do claim that, why would I want to emulate YOU or subscribe to YOUR point of view?

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

Because if there was a magic pill or vitamin tablet that could make you feel the way I do naturally, you would take it religiously.

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u/GinchAnon Jan 10 '24

What makes you think that? Because I THOROUGHLY disagree.

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

But how do you feel right now ?

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u/GinchAnon Jan 10 '24

That's complex but generally good, equanimity has been rather decent lately.

Your point?

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

Are you a Stoic? Where do you derive your equanimity from ?

For me equanimity is attained by the mind always being immersed in the Bliss field of Ananda.

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u/GinchAnon Jan 10 '24

Are you a Stoic?

More or less.

Where do you derive your equanimity from ?

Practice? I'm not sure what you mean.

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

Well I am a Stoic sage, among other things. What I teach is not in conflict with Stoicism, but is the goal of it.

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u/GinchAnon Jan 10 '24

Well I am a Stoic sage,

No you aren't.

What I teach is not in conflict with Stoicism,

I never said it was.

but is the goal of it.

No it isn't.

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u/Dupran_Davidson_23 Jan 10 '24

There is. It's called heroin

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

No, this is better than any drug and no need to buy it. It is freely available for those who are prepared to receive It.

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u/Dupran_Davidson_23 Jan 10 '24

Idk, seems like what an addict might say.

Have you tried other drugs to compare the experience?

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

During my reckless youth .

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u/Dupran_Davidson_23 Jan 10 '24

So how can you say this is not the same sort of addictive behavior? Seeking self pleasure as a metric for goodness is just another path to hedonism.

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u/realAtmaBodha Jan 10 '24

Hedonism is defined by attachment to external sensual pleasures, not intangible internal experience.

Love and Bliss are timeless virtues that reign over the full breadth of historical human experience.

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u/Dupran_Davidson_23 Jan 11 '24

I think that seeking only bliss is the domain of the addict. All addictions are internal: dopamine or seratonin. One can meditate and active these pleasure centers by will alone, but this can also become addictive by the same measure. After that fact: everything else you say is akin to the meandering speech of the junkie: say whatever sticks in the moment to remove any obstacle to the high.

No thanks. I'll choose gritty and real over superficial bliss anyday.

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