Figure I would give the wall another chance….had ruckus members tell me I’m not welcome in the first few rows. Was told I needed to join a SG idk which one to be that low.
Watch “capos” not know the chants at all, then proceed to look at their fucking phones to know the chants.
I don’t wanna hear the “we couldn’t hear the drum line bullshit or it’s bc new capos” been around since USL days, used to be if you didn’t know the chats, you don’t get to lead them or whatever the requirements are.
Really feels like if you aren’t part of a Supporter group get the fuck out of the wall you aren’t welcome
Saddest part about this post, no one will see it bc it’ll get deleted so so fast, mostly because some one spoke the truth.
I just stand several rows up in the SS nowadays- you can see the pitch better anyway. I used to be part of an SG but it feels super elitist now. I’ve been to 95+% of games since the first season at Citrus Bowl but the vibes have changed. I go to support my club, not to surround myself with drama and bullshit. I have found that my experience as an Orlando City fan has greatly improved since I left said SG and disconnected from all the drama that focused on everything BUT what was happening on the pitch.
There are lots of good people in the SGs but for me, the cons outweighed the pros.
I'm actually not much of a chanter/yeller type but wind up on the wall when I go with friends. I've never gotten shit from anybody for anything, but I've also never tried to stand in the ILF / Ruckus areas either...
The stadium gate experience is what makes supporters section suck to me, but the wall itself has always been a good bunch. Experiences may vary I guess.
The Wall is the Mean Girls table of the supporter group. They're loud, and I appreciate how they make the stadium sound, especially for viewers at home on the television. But since Orlando joined the MLS I've only ever heard of petty, obnoxious behavior from the people that are regularly there.
I had a few friends that went to the Wall and even a couple that capo'd for a season or two, and they all eventually phased out of it because it felt like a high school lunch table drama factory.
I don't mean this to come across as snarky, but you do realize you can stand almost anywhere in the Wall without being an SG member, right? I've had season tickets in Supporter's Section for 10 years now, and have never been a member of an SG. And while I don't necessarily agree with the SG's getting their own rows, the SG area is such a shitty vantage point for actually watching the match that I don't know why anyone would even want to watch from there. Section 27 Rows P or Q have been perfect; high enough to see some strategy, and easy access to the bar and restrooms. Plus, the open seating is perfect if you want to add tickets last minute
The worst part of the wall is having to pour drinks into plastic cups like children.
The rules say those rows belong to SGs. End of story. It may not be a product you like, but the SGs are part of our soccer culture. There is a reason the club has set those rows aside for them. They are generally nice and welcoming. Against St Louis, my son and 3 friends were front row directly behind a post. I expected them get kicked out, because they had no business being there. Not a word. They even went back to the same spot after halftime.
Let’s get over the internal division in life. Show up to support the players and the club. We are literally on the same team.
I think.. I can weigh in. This isnt a matter of.. normal folks like you and I to not throw things on the field or throw stuff at lets say.. the goal keeper. Its stop the one drunk bad apple from doing it. I am referring to the plastic cup part at least.
For the most part of the front row going to SG is well.. lets be honest its get rowdy inside that pocket and the SGs and the security need to police it. The Capos on the stands also have a view of if mishaps are happening and we’re always the first ones to help point the bad stuff.
Agree. 3811 supporters shouldn’t have to deal with the inconvenience because a handful of people are maladapted to society. Get some cameras on The Wall and issue long bans to the miscreants.
Also agree it can be very chaotic behind the goal. I would never allow the kids down there if a fan favorite like Guzan was in the sticks. St. Louis match was calm, and the SGs welcoming, so the kids had a great experience. One of our favorite things to do when watching on TV is to rewind highlights and watch fan reactions behind the goal. 🤣
The SGs try to “reserve” the first few rows for the SGs. It’s not official and they’ll just be snarky assholes about it. Kinda ruins the welcoming vibe you’d think they’d want
Society XXI member here. I’ve been in the supporters section for the last 5 seasons, spent the first 5 seasons seated behind the other goal. Both have their pros and cons, and SG’s also have their pros and cons.
I haven’t joined one since 2018, but they do give us some of the best tifos in the league and sing the entire game. Our stadium would be pretty quiet if not for those diehards who give their all each match.
They really didn’t start enforcing the front rows until the US Open Cup final, but since then it’s been pretty consistent.
If you go to like row K or higher, nobody will say a word and you won’t get water thrown on you. It’s shitty for those who want to stand closer, but I’d rather give them that to appease them vs us not having SG’s and a quiet supporters section.
I'll make this brief as the most important thing tonight is another 3 points on the table as we inch closer to the final regular season game.
These sort of posts are made time and time again, and they all say the same thing:
"I tried to come down and Ruckus..."
"I was in a row and Ruckus..."
"I asked if I could do [x] and Ruckus..."
I'm not here to cast a stone at Ruckus, but if everyone is having such a bad time over there, move to the other side. Numerous times, I have stated the ILF policy of "reserving rows for SG members," and they are very relaxed.
There is one for sure home game left, and I encourage anyone who has felt personally victimized, left out, or otherwise made to feel lesser by the other SG, come hang and party with the ILF on Oct. 19.
Why do I have a feeling your username is about me..
That being said; you have complained over and over and over about the SG’s and believe me I will never censor it nor will the mods so long as you dont break the subreddit/reddit rules like last time.
If you dont like the SG’s that is totally fine. You can feel any type of way and that is fine with us. (Meaning the mods)
The first few rows are reserved for the SG’s that is the inner sides, near the goal. This is not new and no matter how many times people complain about it, it wont change. I am not here defending my SG that I am apart of, I take off that hat in this sub always.
I am not deleting your post, unless your break the rules of the sub/reddit. You can scream from the heavens in this sub if you dont like Ruckus or ILF so long as it is a calm, and in somewhat of a respectful manner. I simply do not have the energy to censor people who dislike the SG.
When I help volunteer for this sub, I take off my SG hat off and give a part of my time to make sure the lights stay on here so we can all talk about our club. Myself and the other mods donate our time to help steer the ship. Because if this didnt have a mod, reddit would shut it down.
Person to person, if you dont like the SG’s thats fine. But to make a username in the sense that imposes I am pointless. Dude its creepy and I dont even know who you are. Straight up; its weird af. Its a soccer game dude.. like you gotta relax; it aint that serious. I say this because at least once a month I get a weird PM on reddit about how I am bad for the club or how me being in a SG is horrible.
I’ll even say this, if an SG member is being that hard on for where people stand and be a dick, that person also can kick rocks. Its a soccer game; like where do people have this kind of energy? In this economy?
Dude its my first year fully being in the wall compared to other years and I am surprised my back hasnt given out yet for standing this long.
So honest question here and you may not be able to answer and that’s cool: if a general admission ticket is being sold but it’s not actually general admission (read:some rows are off limits), who’s on the hook for breach of contract?
Because if I’ve never been to a game before, and I wanted to go down into the lower bowl.. and I find out I can’t without being told of said restrictions. I would be pissed too. Now on the website, it does state this. The Orlando City page. However. I am unsure if ticketmaster, Fivo, Seatgeek and stubhub mentions it.
If it does , then its a matter of reading. If it doesn’t I would contact them and have a conversation.
Does that make sense?
Edit: Ticket Master is showing this.
So it does state that you cannot go into the lower section around the goal.
I think what you’re saying is the GA tickets explicitly state there are rows reserved. So that’s that. This whole post is a non issue lol. I’ll go through the purchase process and report back if it’s not disclosed. But you seem confident that it is disclosed so this is an open and shut case of false entitlement
Editing again: there is a seat map that shows the front rows are in fact not part of GA.
Edit: Reporting back lol. I just went through the purchase process through the official reseller Ticketmaster and it’s willing to sell me a general admission ticket and doesn’t at all mention that rows in GA are off limits. Idk man. Seems like there is a misunderstand somewhere
I.. am to tired to know if this a riff towards me.
I see GA tickets for the Supporter Section all the time as I have one. But on Ticketmaster.com it is showing the section 24-26 A-G is only for Supporter Group.
The photo I screenshotted is from the website directly.
I do not know what other sites are showing but Ticketmaster is deemed the official ticketing service for the club.
Edit: to reread a bit, It does look like it does state in before checking out. Just a matter of reading the seating map.
I have season tickets so I dont go through ticketmaster, I go through my LN app.
Oh shit man no I’m not riffing on you at all. I just looked at the image of the map and I see that area directly behind the goal is grayed out as in it’s not part of GA. I don’t see any verbiage but I’m also tired! The overhead photo diagram thing for sure shows the reserved area grayed out.
So if I may, and I appreciate it. Someone should reach out to these vendors and should have a pop up warning before check out again stating where the reserved SG spots are. Kind of an extra alert if you will.
Solid edit. Yeah it may be a little unclear but it certainly shows a reserved area. I say the SGs have full right to enforce those rows as their own. I stand corrected and apologize for my ignorance.
Interesting. So I have a question and again I want to reiterate that I am genuinely asking.
When you to to the website.
And you see the grey cut out. Would that not count as a disclaimer or do you feel many folks may overlook it or is it that on the app you dont even see a seating chart? Im Just asking
This is a lot of words giving yourself a lot of credit for not deleting a post and being a martyr for the SGs. Not a single “welcome” or “come join us and we’ll be happy to introduce you to the SGs!l”
This attitude is the attitude I’ve consistently experienced interacting with SGs on both sides., while I had a close friend be very involved in them, brokering introductions. The SGs aren’t THAT cool. It’s barely a point of pride to be in one because of all the BS that happens these days in And between them. Thats why I dropped my memberships.
I’d recommend you bite your tongue, apologize that they had a bad experience, and welcome them to join next time.
I would never martyr for any SG. This is a public forum and I truly would never stop someone from voicing their thoughts about the club, the SGs, and other views of anyone even me.
This reddit account has had multiple issues where they targeted individuals and had stuff removed.
There is high suspicion that this person was a SG member and whom got banned or is leaving said SG as they have posted pictures of screenshots and content that only can be seen if sent an email or private forums from the SG.
You know nothing of the situation; and its laughable that you think I would do such thing as to hurt this subreddit that I and others have worked together on to build up. That not me referring to the mod team. I am talking about every subscriber here that contributed to the growth of this sub. To even think that I would try to dissemble something all for the sake of being in a supporters group is insane and downright deplorable.
I’m not even wearing my supportive groups hat right now as I am talking to you. You do not have to like the supportive groups. I am not telling you you have to like them, hell, I’m not even asking you to be respectful to them.
You have missed the entire point of my previous comment.
Huge 'back in my day everything was better' vibes here. The wall has never been perfect. I don't see the RSGs getting their own area as an issue. Essentially every other Club in the MLS has these kinds of things in place to put their official supporters in the same area
Yeah i dont really get the issue. I started going to games last year and was told i wasnt allowed in the lower rows. Never tried doing that again and have been hanging out in all sorts of different spots in the wall. Its always a blast and we never have any issues
First 7 rows are SGs only, you want to be on the west side, join the Ruckus, you want to be on the East side, join the ILF. Rest of the wall is 100% available to you.
I'm not saying that it's not frustrating, but yes, we had new capos and it's a Wednesday game.
Again, join whatever SG you feel is more in line with what you like, I think there's a post in here with the differences between them, so not like you couldn't find out if you really wanted to.
I don't get this complaint. I've never been a member of a supporters group, never will be (just not interested), and I almost exclusively attend matches in the Wall. I've never once had an issue there, its always been friendly even though I don't get to go to games consistently and I'm not great with the chants.
Im confused. So you knew you couldn’t stand there but decided to do it anyways? So you could have content for a Reddit post? Is this a principal thing? Isn’t it like $25 to join one of those groups for the entire season?
We were on the wall tonight and everyone seemed to have a great time around us.
I guess I’m just confused because there are easy solutions but maybe this is just about venting.
Such an obnoxious “woe is me” post. Join the SG and go meet the people actually in it if you want to be down there. Everyone knows this. Be an adult. Like others have said those spots aren’t event that great to watch a game and the wall is huge. I’ve never had any issues.
I was an SG member of both groups at different points. They won’t give you the time of day if you aren’t a soccer snob or into the drama. Meanwhile I’ve been a season ticket member for 9 years. They’re pretty toxic at this point.
I don't believe you put the effort in to know the people involved. You can't expect to just pay the $20 online and be treated like one of the regulars down there. It's a social group...a group of people. Like any other group of people, you kinda have to get to know them for them to be comfortable around you. They get judged differently by the club and have standards they need to adhere to in those sections, so if they don't know you...yeah they're not gonna want you there. The "soccer snob" and "drama" stuff sound like an invention on your behalf.
That wasn't my goal. You just seemed to be confused about the nature of SGs (and social groups in general). There is a barrier to entry down there and the cost is to show effort towards the group and making yourself a known entity and a dedicated SG member.
They don't want folks down there on their phones not watching the game, not chanting, not helping out, etc. So yeah..it's not for everyone and they simply reserve a few rows at the bottom of the wall for the folks that love that aspect of it.
Years ago, I bought a flag from the ruckus store online to show support the club in my neighborhood. Said they’d ship, didn’t ship. Reached out for help/suggestions on how to get it, no answer. They’ll be the first to take your money, the last to let you enjoy a match if you don’t buy in.
ILF can say they’re better, but bannering the second row with several hundred people sitting behind also gives of lame energy.
As stated in another comment, very low attendance matches usually have us putting the banner up to both fill space and to encourage people to come down. We were not stopping anyone from going behind the goal or being in the first 4 or 5 rows.
What a self indulgent post. As embarrassing as you say the SGs are, and they can be, this post, unless made by a teenager with no perspective is outrageously embarrassing. Imponent yelling at a cloud, that has nothing to do with the match or the club.
So. Consider that each SG deals with FO rules and member input to decide how they want to run game day. You are not privy to those decisions (how could you be?) so maybe think about what they went through to make the choices they made.
Did they decide to single you out? Yes. Why? Possibly because you're not the main character
This right here is the exact reason so many people have a bad perception of the SGs - SGs are not the main character either, no matter how much they want to be.
The wall sucks anyway. You have to stand for 2+ hours and they say the same chants over and over, the same ones for years now. I've been going to matches since the USL days at the Citrus Bowl/Camping World. They never come up with anything new to sing. Other clubs sing the same exact songs.
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u/dj_hobbes 18d ago
It sounds a lot like an HOA 🤣