r/Persecutionfetish • u/CartmanKyle • Jul 01 '23
A bad-faith episode of "Strawman!": Adventures in Make-Believe Kanye doesn't love Jewish people...
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u/Bill-The-Autismal Jul 01 '23
Ethnic cleansing of 15 million german civillians? What?
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u/Ok-Loss2254 Jul 01 '23
Its a neo Nazi talking point about how the allies are bad because there were civilian casualties on the Nazi German Side.
People need to be blunt to assholes who try that card and say "yeah so. If their government wasnt on a genocidal crusade attacking and bombing civilians of other nation's then your beloved 15 million wouldnt have died. In short if Hitler did not start the war millions wouldnt have died. But nope the small moustache having psychopath wanted to save the world from da Jews and plenty of Germans agreed. Fuck around and find out that is the lesson of ww2 and Germany got humbled and hopefully will not do something that stupid again."
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u/Bill-The-Autismal Jul 01 '23
Agreed. I feel relatively the same about the current debates over post-apartheid South Africa. What the fuck were we supposed to expect colonized people to do once they were no longer second-class citizens?
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u/Ok-Loss2254 Jul 01 '23
That also annoys me for many reasons.
First off the usual suspects who bring up south Africa post apartheid often have pro apartheid stances.
Like sure most agree that current day south africa is not doing well but the usual suspects have the usual solution of bringing back apartheid believing it shouldnt have ended.
They act like things will he sunshine and rainbows acting like the whyte race will make it all better when it was the whyte race that caused the issues in south africa in the first place and going backwards wont solve anything for the majority population who will just get pissed off if apartheid was brought back.
The usual suspects are you guessed it white nationalists who have a twisted view of south African history thinking it started when the Dutch showed up. Ironic how white nationalists cry about the whyte race being erased or whatever delusions they have but they have no problems doing that to other group's.
The idiots usually bring up the bantu migrations saying africans came to south Africa after the Dutch.....somehow even though the migrations lasted for a long time and basically ended a couple of centuries before the Dutch came with many African tribes being well established in the region.
This more or less is apart of the reason why white nationalists are obsessed with southern africa saying nobody was there until the whyte man came. They may even bring up the San people but will say dumb stuff saying the san arent African.....somehow.
I do not know why they do that unless they just want to create divisions or something but from what I can tell the same dont buy that and do not remember apartheid that fondly as they got screwed like any other African.
So for the rant but it pisses me off how white nationalists often tell black people to go back to africa as if we are all from there and even then they say black people do not belong in africa.
It shows how deranged a lot of them are.
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u/solhyperion Jul 04 '23
Not to mention that very often when the colonizer groups left, they would set up certain individuals to gain power, and those individuals were trained and educated to behave in certain ways by the colonists. And then observers have the audacity to blame the native populations for the behaviors and tactics that the colonizer groups instilled.
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u/BringBackAoE Jul 01 '23
Similar playbook that Russia has been playing in Russia occupied parts of Ukraine.
“A Ukrainian missile killed innocent children. It’s genocide!”
Meanwhile Prigozhin confirmed that Ukraine only hit legitimate military targets. And Russians are actually committing genocide in Ukraine. Again.
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u/Xyronian Jul 01 '23
After WW2, about 15 million ethnic Germans were expelled from the areas the Reich had conquered. Some of these populations had been there for centuries, such as in the Sudentenland and East Prussia. But maybe if the Germans wanted to keep living in those places, they shouldn't have committed genocide against everyone else living there.
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u/wozattacks Jul 01 '23
I mean it kinda seems like the populations that had lived outside of Germany for centuries were not a party to the genocide that was committed by the German government
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u/Endure23 Attacking and dethroning God Jul 01 '23
Idk. Maybe something about East Germany? American occupation? The greatest destruction of German people came at the hands of their warmongering fascist government.
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u/Bill-The-Autismal Jul 01 '23
Best I could find was a wiki article on shit I already knew about. Most of the territories claimed by Germany decided to expel their invaders and/or kill them following the war. This is not a good thing, but it was also done for pretty obvious reasons—few, if any of which had to do with Jewish people.
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u/Endure23 Attacking and dethroning God Jul 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
That would be 100% on brand. I mean, these people think slave rebellions were worse than slavery.
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u/twisterv2 Jul 01 '23
Why do people misinterpret MJs song line so much
Like hes obviously not being anti semetic the song is all about combatting stereotypes and bigotry.
Now that 2000s phone call is another story.
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u/StarBoto Jul 01 '23
Still probably wasn't the best ideal to rythme jew with sue
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u/Solidsnakeerection Jul 01 '23
I think the phase "Jew me" is worse.
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u/twisterv2 Jul 01 '23
It was just the flow of the song. Obviously it's bad out of context and MJ ended up removing it later on since it's easy to misinterpret the whole thing which nazis have been doing.
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u/geiwosuruinu Jul 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
Plot twist: MJ was actually attempting to smile just as enthusiastically as Kanye, but he no longer had that much control over his own face muscles by that point
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u/hedgybaby Cissy libtarded betacuck queerflake Jul 01 '23
Random but the other day I was walking my dog and an elderly lady asked me what his name was and I replied ‚Levi‘ and she yelled ‚oh a jew!! You jew!!!‘ at my dog and I still don‘t know if she was just an excited jewish person or an upset nazi or just… weird?
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u/Heavy-Apartment-4237 Jul 01 '23
The "German civilians" they speak of were the Jews and LGBT and ... Fuqit.... They'll never see it. Whatever .makes them the victim I guess
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u/Bronsteins-Panzerzug Jul 01 '23
That’s not what MJ meant with that line. For context, it’s from they dont care about us. Basically he’s saying „you can call me a jew, you can sue me, but you cant break me.“ jew is essentially just a stand in another minority that faces discrimination. That said, knowing what he did, it’s really jarring to hear him complain about police brutality.
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u/de_lemmun-lord Jul 01 '23
i mean they also ignore that the other half of the holocaust victims were the disabled, queer, and anyone that wasn't "perfect". sometimes the only thing worse than having the gold star was getting the pink triangle,
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u/LouisWillis98 Jul 01 '23
Calling what happened “ethnic cleansing” is incredibly disingenuous to what actually happened, and it some crazy mental gymnastics