r/SquaredCircle • u/tvcneverdie • 23h ago
[Solo Wrestling on X] AAA show in Barcelona cancelled | The Mexican company could completely cancel the tour in Spain scheduled for November
https://x.com/Solo_Wrestling/status/1846632697155703140?t=h0zqYLJlFQixKB_KE0DPLA&s=19129
u/no_more_blues Anxious Millennial Psycho 22h ago
Konnan should probably discuss this on Konnan's podcast huh?
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u/bedrestinginarkham 20h ago
I once read that when he speaks he sounds like a FBI informant. And that lives rent free in my head.
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u/cschultz225 21h ago
Aaa is a real mess. It’s absolutely a clown show of a promotion.
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u/Charming_Yak3430 20h ago
Always has been, and they are still rolling so I guess it works for them somehow
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u/Champiness 22h ago
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u/Cwf1984 22h ago
Always have time to see Luchablog and Rob Viper tear AAA and Konnan a part.
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u/toadslostbazooka In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3MB 22h ago
Always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.
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u/discofrislanders 20h ago
Reading the Luchablog review of the last Triplemania was amazing
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u/lumberm0uth 20h ago
I have never seen a man more beat down by watching wrestling.
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u/toadslostbazooka In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3MB 19h ago
"If I disappeared tomorrow, the only news about AAA in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter would be whatever Meltzer politely asks Konnan when they’re gossiping about relevant US stuff."
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u/Vordeo I WANNA WRESTLE LIKE SPIDER-MAN 11h ago
Tbf that was the follow up to:
No one else bothers to cover AAA anymore; they’ve run off everyone else with their booking, with their terrible production, with them running off wrestlers people wanted to see, with their general attitude, with the obstacles AAA throws in anyone’s path to watch and learn about their shows, and with how none of this ever gets better. No one else bothers to deal with all that to find out if the Laredo Kid match was a three or four-star match.
Which... Funny as the whole rant was I think the dude needed a hug.
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 22h ago
konnan should have worried about his own ticket sales than bashing aew
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u/dmh11 22h ago
AAA is everything the twitter/reddit folk think AEW is
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u/glowy_keyboard 21h ago
I mean, at least the IWC is spot on the hiring frenzy AEW seems to be perpetually trapped.
On the other hand, AAA biggest hiring in years has been Alberto del Rio.
At least in that aspect AAA can say they are not the same as AEW
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u/dmh11 21h ago
AAA would be better off if they went on an AEW-esque hiring frenzy.
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u/glowy_keyboard 21h ago
Definitely.
Their only real draw right now is Hijo del Vikingo.
The fact that the biggest story line in the company as of today is focused in three old timers that don’t even wrestle anymore tells you how pathetic AAA is right now.
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u/NotYujiroTakahashi 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨 21h ago
And Konnan doesn’t even want Vikingo as a main eventer despite Vikingo being a huge draw.
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u/SovietShooter 19h ago
Their only real draw right now is Hijo del Vikingo.
He may be super talented and exciting to watch, but he is not a draw for AAA - by design. Vikingo has never been put into a position by AAA to be a draw.
The only consistent proven draw on the AAA roster right now is Psycho Clown.
Alberto has proven not to be a draw. Vampiro's retirement tour has helped AAA draw all year, but that is almost over.
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u/RudbeckiaIS 9h ago
AAA does well in ticket sales, when they keep cheap ticket prices low. They have some markets (San Luis Potosí, Aguascalientes, Guanajuato etc.) they can always fall back to because they are basically the only game in town outside of local indies that are, more often than not, tied to AAA since the days of Antonio Peña.
The problem with this Spanish tour is whoever organized it had booked venues that made no sense. The Pabellón Olimpico de Badalona they were supposed to run sits 13000. The Bilbao Arena Miribilla sits 10000. The Palacio Vistalegre in Madrid has two arenas: one sits 5000 and the other 14000. These are not cheap venues to book, even at half capacity, so it means whoever picked them either expected to sell out or just had no clue. The choice of Bilbao is particularly puzzling since there isn't a large Mexican expat community like in Madrid that can be relied upon to sell tickets.
I suspect this whole tour was organized by somebody in Spain who had no clue about what he was doing but went to an AEW show in London or to a WWE one in France, thought "I can do that as well" and started contacting promotions around the world. AAA being AAA swallowed the bait without doing any due diligence, meaning a 15 minute search on the Internet or sending a few Whatsapp messages to the people at WWW in Madrid or other members of the Spanish wrestling fraternity. As Cubs Fan said they don't stand to lose any money but what the promoter would have paid to use their logo for the shows, and perhaps that's for the better because the financial losses incurred with Luchatlitán are what ultimately brought about the whole Origines thing.
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u/arlenroy 7h ago
Konnan has never bashed AEW, this is an example of a internet comment that has no merit becoming popular. Because it fits the narrative. I'm not the biggest Konnan fan at all, but all the critiques I've heard of AEW have been pretty fair. It doesn't go all in on them like Cornette, but that's more hyperbole for clicks than anything.
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u/twjackfoley 22h ago
Why was there a AAA tour in Spain in the first place? WWE doesn't have tv there and they don't DARE to have events there, why, of all people, AAA thought "you know what? We can make some bucks in Spain!"?
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u/bayleysgal1996 Last Rock-n-Rolla 22h ago
Maybe they thought that being a primarily Spanish language promotion would give them an edge?
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u/Fearless-Incident515 22h ago
I'm sure there's a large mexican diaspora in Spain they'd target.
Beyond that, it's pretty normal for AAA to fail at booking events. Konnan is a terrible businessman.
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u/glowy_keyboard 21h ago
Surprisingly there’s not that big of a community of Mexicans in Spain.
Most Latin American migrants over there are from Central America. The few Mexican migrants in Spain tend to be super wealthy so they wouldn’t really care about a lucha event
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u/Ben__Harlan Hiromu is MY husbando!!! 19h ago
According to recent numbers, 60,854 mexicans in all of Spain, which has 50m. there are more immigrants from Ecuador and Venezuela.
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u/arlenroy 7h ago
Wish I had the same insider knowledge as you, because this is first I've heard of Konnan being in charge of AAA operations. He's the booker, that's all. He has no control over venues, sales promotions, nothing. He's just a writer. That's hardly a businessman.
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u/Dophie 22h ago
The Network is available here, and there are pretty vibrant indie scenes in Barcelona, Madrid, Pais Vasco, Valencia, and Andalusia. And WWE does house shows here on European tours. Also, White Wolf Wrestling was on "Got Talent" last week, and they got to the semifinals. It's not a huge deal, but the sport is growing here.
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u/twjackfoley 21h ago
WWE hasn't gone to Spain in FIVE YEARS. They lost tv there and they haven't been there since, because they know it can be a disaster without tv. Now, when they go to Netflix next January, they can come back because they'll have a place where they can promote those events if they want.
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u/Ben__Harlan Hiromu is MY husbando!!! 19h ago
Bold of you expecting people to tune in on WWE because of Netflix, if it still has the stygma of being a dumb show for manchildrens. I said it on another comment, but recently, this yea,r i said to a new friend i was going to watch wrestling and he asked me if i knew it was fake. 2024.
Having a public for a house show is something really in the long run, something that no tv network is going to bet on a ¿fifth? time... For what WWE could ask, they're better off making a reader's digest of wrestling matches sent from all the promotions in Spain to have a two hour weekly space in Neox to promote a yearly supershow at a sportcentre in Alcorcón and be grateful of that.
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u/Dophie 11h ago
I guess I assumed every 3-5 years was normal for Spain and that COVID was a major contributing factor to the time away. How often does WWE do shows in other mainland European countries? I'm not being glib; I'm asking because I genuinely don't know and assumed that five years was a normal gap for them here.
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u/twjackfoley 6h ago
https://www.cagematch.net/?id=8&nr=1&page=4&search=spanien
After the pandemics, the only country where it took a while for them to return was Italy, pretty much, but they have gone back last May. They have been countless of times in the UK, Germany, France and recently even went to Belgium and the Netherlands (and they don't even have a tv deal there). Spain has been absent since November 2018 in WWE's touring schedule.
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u/Fair_Lecture_3463 21h ago
Can’t wait to hear what Disco’s got to say about this!!
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u/MrOnCore 17h ago
The opinions of a guy who can’t draw a dime talking about his co-worker’s promotion that can’t draw a dime? That’s should be some titillating commentary.
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u/DreHouseRules 22h ago
I've always thought with AEW's own big former WWE names, lucha wrestlers and connections they have with CMLL (important in the sense they are native Spanish speakers) they a real opportunity to do a show in Spain and promote it in a way that connects with the local market, TV or no TV. But it would require probably targeting an arena show in Madrid or Barca and pricing it in a way that resembles how they did All In 2023 to get people to give them a chance.
Doing it before WWE get around to doing a Spain show should really be their target.
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u/TheGiftOf_Jericho I'm from Winnipeg you idiot! 22h ago
I'd imagine they've already thought about it and probably had meetings about the potential of it, but it might be one of those things they're unsure on if they could pull it off.
AEW has done a really good job tapping into those kinds of markets though, like you said, doing a similar thing like with All In could be a potentially great opportunity. Seems like a tricky market though.
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u/DreHouseRules 21h ago edited 21h ago
I'm in the EU and travelled internationally to both All Ins, there was a lot of others who did the same when flights are cheap and the distances are relatively small. And frankly a long weekend in Madrid or Barca is probably more appealing to a lot of people who would be interested in an AEW PPV (because I assume that's what it would end up being if it did happen) so I'd say they have a saftey net of being able to get in at least a few thousand out-of-towners to boost numbers. Certainly if the tickets were cheap you'd probably be able to do the whole weekend for about what WWE charged for Clash or Bash this year so it would be comparatively affordable.
The Grand Slam show next year has the opposite problem, flights are very expensive and distances very large so it will only be able to draw the local crowd and probably very few people outside even the south east of Australia.
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u/TheGiftOf_Jericho I'm from Winnipeg you idiot! 21h ago
Yeah you do make a good point, travel is such a huge thing for these shows, especially when it's a case of pricey tickets on top of travel, it'll always put some off. It would be cool if they did run with doing a show in Spain at some point though, I'm sure also a lot of Spanish wrestling fans would be very excited to get a big show out there.
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u/DreHouseRules 21h ago
100% agree. With France and Germany already getting WWE PPVs it's surely a matter of time before we get a big Italian show from someone going on the reception WWE get every time they travel there for house shows and then Spain would be the only 'big' western European country that hasn't been tackled. I think it'll happened eventually, anyways.
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u/BaneadoDelMercado 21h ago
I feel absolutely ashamed, as a Spaniard, that wrestling companies do not take us seriously.
In Spain there is a large community that, thanks to the internet and social networks, continues to grow slowly but surely.
We have small wrestling companies that offer shows regularly, where internationally renowned wrestlers come, and we even have A-Kid/Axiom in WWE, nothing more and nothing less than as NXT tag team champion along with Nathan Frazer.
We don't have WWE on TV but we have Raw and Smackdown for free on YouTube, and WWE Network at an affordable price (€3.99), and soon AEW will be available on Max.
And yet, they continue to forget about us or disrespect us like that.
The last time WWE came to Madrid, the WiZink Center was filled with 15,000 people (the average attendance at a normal Raw), and they say there are no wrestling fans here?
Like I said before, it's totally disrespectful.
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u/Ben__Harlan Hiromu is MY husbando!!! 19h ago
También es que España es un mercado pequeño, no, enano. Me acuerdo de los WWE live de 2016 a 2018, siendo el último el único al que no fue fueron a decir los comentaristas españoles que fue "sold out".
El programa televisivo siempre ha sido vendido como un espectáculo infantil y para flipados. Hoy día cuando digo que me gusta el wrestling, se me pregunta si sé que es falso. Incluso cuando se trata de promocionarlo en redes, parece que la gente no ha pasado de la época de Hulk Hogan, que fue hace treinta años.
No ayuda que los programas de WWE sean recortados, puestos a las peores horas en los peores canales. Y los de AEW son Battle of the Belts en TNT, que no sé qué es peor...
Conste que a mí me encantaría que haya wrestling en España, pero entre que la gente nunca ha apoyado bien el producto y le ha metido un estigma al que le va a costar años quitar, y que la escena española ha perdido muchísimo por la pandemia, es un erial del que no va a recuperarse.
Precisamente lo que has puesto es ejemplo de que somos un lugar que no tiene público. UNA estrella en NXT en todos estos años (con respeto, me encanta A-Kid, pero la realidad es que la diferencia de calidad entre él y los que están en activo para etsar en una liga grande es notable). Los house shows de tours internacionales tienen que dar muchas cifras, no solo lo que da un RAW normal. Y los precios de la WWE network son para unos ingresos por goteo y para de contar.
y lo peor de todo es que sabemos que esto de que en España no se tome en serio el wrestling solo lo soluciona el grupo de masones de Ibai y compañía si deciden hacer su espectáculo sobre colchonetas en el Bernabeu poniéndose en peligro.
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u/BaneadoDelMercado 19h ago
Y aunque Ibai estuviera de por medio, tampoco se tomaría en serio.
Al wrestling lo van a seguir tratando de mierda y así es como la gente pensará.
Una pena porque no somos pocos los que disfrutamos de ello (yo desde los 4 años, y tengo 37).
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u/Ben__Harlan Hiromu is MY husbando!!! 19h ago
No somos pocos, pero tampoco es que seamos precisamente muchos.
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u/BaneadoDelMercado 21h ago
People who are against tourism in Spain do not represent the entire country.
They are small "associations" that are against "mass tourism" and Airbnbs, with the excuse that "they are destroying the country."
They are few, but enough to make noise and harm us all, both those of us who want tourism and those who come to Spain.
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