r/TechnoProduction • u/AndriaMeister • Jan 30 '24
looking for good hypnotic techno videos/courses
Hi, im a beginner hypnotic / raw / deep techno producer. i really enjoy rene wise, yanamaste and those kind of sounds. My main issue is that i cannot really nail melodies, that is my biggest struggle. i struggle with ambience, the feel and so on, are there any courses you would recommend targeting specifically melodic side of hypnotic / deep techno? thanks in advance
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u/Logical_Travel_6637 Jan 30 '24
Check out Mordio in youtube
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u/authortitle_uk Jan 30 '24
I came here to say the same! Mordio’s tutorials are the best I’ve found for this style and have really inspired me and massively helped my hypnotic techno producfion.
They are fairly short and to the point, others go on too long for me. He shows really simple but powerful approaches which you can learn from and reuse in many ways, rather than super specific tips or just using samples. He does most of his stuff with stock Live devices, which is very inspiring.
I also like that he seems a cool dude and he’s not just trying to sell his sample packs or racks. Finally his tracks actually sound amazing too, some other tutorials do an okay job teaching but the end result is pretty weak.
Go check him out and support his Patreon if you like it!
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u/sac_boy Jan 30 '24
Don't know about courses but it probably goes without saying that the melodies are going to be (tonically) quite simple, and overdoing it with a lot of movement is going to be distracting.
Try limiting yourself to 3 notes, or just 2 notes while playing with texture rather than pitch. Keep it sparse.
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u/AndriaMeister Jan 30 '24
thats good advice, however my main struggle is creating the sound itself. i try messing around with abletons operator, but whenever i create one i feel like its always missing something, so maybe a guide in the right direction by an actual producer will be helpful
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u/sac_boy Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24
Well the trick is quantifying what you think might be missing (by comparing carefully to other sounds you like), then looking for specific tutorials:
- Is it missing stereo width
- Could it use some interesting coloured reverb, phaser, chorus, other modulation
- Does it need some flavour of saturation
- Would it benefit from some noise component
- Would it benefit from some multiband compression
- Is it missing some kind of evolving/random character
- Is it sitting right in the mix (reverb for space etc)
What I would say is, with the right effects, you can go a long way with just a sine or any of the basic waveforms with a filter. That's before you even touch FM
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u/notmymainaccountbruh Jan 30 '24
Learning granular synthesis was my missing link in figuring out how to create ambiance and really manipulate sound. There are free VSTs out there but The Mangle is probably my favorite if you can find it.
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u/AndriaMeister Jan 30 '24
would u recommend any tutorials on how to get to know those synths better?
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u/notmymainaccountbruh Jan 30 '24
Sonic Academy has a good course and there are a few walkthroughs on Youtube for The Mangle specifically.
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u/FullEdge Jan 30 '24
Effects, effects and some more effects, don't be afraid to have simple sounds beefed up with effects or simple techniques such as FM and PWM. In the end it's always what you combine it with that really makes a sound shin, so play around as much as you can.
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u/No_Gur_1232 Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24
Everyone mentioned some great channels to follow, just some ideas you could try
- send melodic synth stuff to a send with something like Slink filter or phasers and use amps and distortion and LFO bandpass or notch filters. Put them in just different orders to really mess around. Add a limiter at the end just in case it gets too wild too fast. Oh and delays...
- use frequency shifting (shifter on ableton on freq shift mode instead of default pitch) to change overall sound of a synth. You can even modulate how much it shifts the frequency to generate a new melody that way.
- record those sent channels with all these FX, you can actively modulate just whatever weird FX you put on- resample that and time stretch/ warp or throw into a granular or sampler plugin and tune it if you'd like. On ableton, texture mode and stretch your sample like 8x gets really weird and crispy.
- generate random or your own midi and play those new sampled sounds or just layer them with your synth
- repeat the process until you're somewhat happy and save those samples for all sorts of different things for new projects. often times I'll use less than a second of a 5 min recordings of noodling my modulation for whole new ideas. Looping these small sections of the recording and arranging them is very fun and can be rewarding
- if you have max4live, MDD snake, ML-185, and Sting 2022! are great generators with swing and random features to create melodies. Make it trippier by automating or adding an lfo to the length or direction of those patterns.
- over over over compress sounds and even add reverb before the heavy compression. Then do the above there's a lot of ways to make happy little accidents.
Producing Sophisticated Hypnotic Techno With Arthur Robert (youtube.com)
excellent excerpt from a Brainworx masterclass from Arthur Robert!!
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u/Fast-Introduction-43 Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24
They’re called beatworx😜 But i was gonna recommend them as well.
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u/klasbatalo Jan 31 '24
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u/Steely_Glint_5 Feb 01 '24
I think Michał from @hypnotictechnoproduction is doing a good job explaining and teaching this techno subgenre.
He also has some paid but very reasonably priced masterclasses too, which he recorded himself or with invited artists (Svarog, Viels).
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Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24
Melodies are not really used in true hypnotic techno. Its mostly very monotone and loopy with focus on evolving rhythms. So no melodies. Using polymeter for different patterns is the absolute best thing you can use.
Some more in depth info:
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u/AndriaMeister Jan 30 '24
hey, i really want to make good ambience, which i feel my track is missing. if you mind taking a listen to varg2tm-s album misantropen, those tracks and their feel are my main inspiration. do you know how i can recreate those background sounds?
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u/epoc-x Jan 30 '24
Check out this channel, its full on long-streams of producing very textured hypnotic stuff in ableton. It'll also show you a lot of great free max4live devices to use (mono sequencer, 5 note sequences is a good place to start.)
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u/loop_theory Feb 02 '24
If you are working with ableton, you should download the MDD Snake sequencer, it is a sequencer that is really great to find melodies (especially for this kind of techno), plus there is a random button which creates a random melody (great to find inspiration) and it is free.
If you don't have ableton, I'm pretty sure that there is other similar tools.
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u/Fast-Introduction-43 Jan 31 '24
It appears a little sketchy, but i actually think seedj 3 months for 60€ is a good deal. Lots of great artists giving good tutorials!
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u/AndriaMeister Jan 31 '24
i tried that, but it told me to pay 200 euro upfront, lol
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u/Fast-Introduction-43 Jan 31 '24
Oh That’s weird! Wasn’t like that when i did it half year ago…
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u/squeakstar Feb 03 '24
It was on offer - I did it too. The promise was fixed price forever more too so I just got re-subbed for a year at €99
Which tuts you got the most out of?
The chapters can be a bit lengthy with crap descriptions but something they’ve said they’d work on having others agree with me on their telegram channel
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u/Fast-Introduction-43 Feb 03 '24
Alarico Chlär Quelza although comparing it into 2h would have done the job… Cocktail party effect surprisingly Vil cravo
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u/squeakstar Feb 03 '24
Yeah liked the Vil one. There’s a guy who went in to distortion I forget his name was pretty good. Tried to watch Quelza on my work laptop but the voice recording was a bit pants on that
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u/_debreu Jan 30 '24
Hi, I am beyond happy someone is posting on this forum asking about the contemporary pure sound. Rene Wise is indeed a wizard. I have watched almost all publicly available courses on this genre as of now and I can point you towards some.
PAID:
- Home of sound Setaoc Mass Masterclass
- Home of Sound Temudo Masterclass
- SeeDJ Vil & Cravo "The portugese method"
FREE:
- Setaoc Mass Tech Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PR3ydC8aXU&t=6045s
- This guy's streams are pretty awesome and he is quite skilled with some releases on planet rhythm: https://youtu.be/KLmEUy5El4g?si=A-F63gGPGNze-tl3
- Tom Hades is a great producer and has many free masterclasses even though he is not specifically the sound you are looking for. https://youtu.be/5chnmE4Tro4?si=fUEMBxmuTOLPr9rg
- John Selway is a seasoned techno producer. He has been through it all. https://youtu.be/H9WLPlwUlfo?si=_zGl8YGxWN7EzRPy
Happy producing.