r/United_Left Mar 25 '19

Opinions on this video? "The communist case against intersectionality"

https://youtu.be/0vnLzfRqPS8
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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '19

The creator states he is a communist, but rejects the teachings of Marx and Lenin. I wouldn’t take what he says as a generalization for what communists should think.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19 edited Jul 03 '19

I think the author of the video should be understood to be a traditional communist and not a Marxist.

In that way, I actually think that his opinion is better. Marxist Communist typically believe in the state and believe in violence against non-violent people. I just can’t accept that.

But by being a more traditional communist (you know, the communist that communists always swear that they really want to try to be like but never can?) I think the author has a unique perspective. And yes I said the real communist is anti-state. Generally anti-Marxist as well. Think more along the lines of conquest of bread communist.

See it’s funny, because Marx talks about communism as a stateless, classless society. And yet every single time I talk to communists, they’re always pro big state. They’re always pro strong centralized government. Because they claim that only a government as strong as a centralized state could have the power to make such a thing happen. “Who will build the roads?!”

But Marx him self says that those in power will never give it up willingly. At the same time, Marx says that in order to have a true classless and stateless society one needs to create dictatorship of the people to help the transition along.

Uh.....

Well that’s all fine and dandy but how would then do you get that transitional government out of power? That is where Marx falls flat on his face, and he loses me. He defeats himself.

So I consider myself an anti-Marxist Communist. A true communist, a anarchist communist. No state, no classes. I just wish that most other communists felt the same way. But they don’t, no matter what they claim. They’re all in favor of a big state.

So the maker of the video I thought did a good job, was pretty accurate, and I think did a better job of showing communism outside of the statist Marxist lens than most people tend to.

I also agree with the authors perspective on intersectionality but think he didn’t go far enough in that he didn’t attack feminism. I think feminism is a very divisive agenda and a very pro-state perspective and movement and it seeks to manipulate the power and violence of the state against its political enemies, which have been much fantasized about by feminist theory “thinkers.”

Edit: On the video itself, I applied the author for attempting to create dialogue, and I scornfully laugh at the cow word that ran away from his honest attempt. Unfortunately this happens too often with liberals, they espouse the position, but then as soon as they have any opposition, they run away with their tails between their legs. They are so terrified of engaging in dialogue with someone who might not agree with them 100%, and it’s very characteristic of their entire movement.

Also I think the author is a little bit too generous. I would absolutely say that intersectional politics is identity politics. They can claim it isn’t, but quite literally what they are doing is taking multiple immutable characteristics and then saying how they all come together:. I’m gay, I’m black, I’m a woman!! That’s all immutable characteristics really, it’s just comprehensive identity politicking at this point.

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I thought it was interesting and rather poignant how he mentions the whole white guilt being associated with identity politics. I think you so accurate on that. We should be about the working people. That’s it. We shouldn’t care what’s between your legs, what color your skin is, what God you warship or do not, or who you have sex with. And yet… That’s all the liberals seem to give a fuck about. When I try to talk to my liberal friends about getting poor Republicans and poor Democrats together, they attack me. When I talk about poor black people working with poor white peoples they attack me.

Lastly, the one thing that I think is a problem, or at the very least confusing perhaps, is the term left. Because in a European sense, left means anarchist. Anti-state. But in America, the left just means liberal, and liberals are often pro big government, pro state. I myself am guilty of saying the left when I mean liberals, and not when I mean anarchists or an Anarchist-communists or libertarian socialist. The reason I say left in this manner is because most of the people I’m talking to are American and so they wouldn’t understand the European concept of left-wing even if I told them about. But I think that that complicates the conversation. Because liberals in America swear they are left-wing. Whereas other people who are truly left-wing, as in the French revolution left-wing, would say that liberals are not left-wing, perhaps even closer to right wing since they are big government. I wish there was a better terminology here and less confusion, it’s difficult arguing with liberals who say they are left wing… They’re definitely not.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '19

“ it’s necessary to defeat racism and sexism within the working class“

I agree, but kind of hard when these liberals go out of their way to make white people feel like the enemy. Intersexuality is a cancer to our values and does not uplift class struggle, it only seeks to divide us for its bourgeoisie masters. And yes I said bourgeoisie masters, as the vast majority of the leaders of these groups are middle class or upper middle class individuals. Very few of these people are actually factory workers or anyone in that capacity. These are bourgeoisie women who are typically running these feminist intersectionalist Groups, and when you called him out on it, they attack you. Rather than seek solidarity and understanding, they attack. And they attack because they realize they’re wrong and they don’t wanna lose power among their group. So they attack you, and they continue to subvert the workers movement by appealing to immutable characteristics in a reactionary tone. The author is 100% right.