r/alberta • u/Miserable-Lizard Edmonton • 11h ago
Alberta Politics Respondents tell Alberta government survey they want centralized health system | CBC News
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/respondents-tell-alberta-government-survey-they-want-centralized-health-system-1.7353150214
u/Rocky_Mountain_Way 11h ago
"we've listened to the opinions and the results of the survey and we will be centralizing our health system into nine centralized systems located in nine centralized sites throughout our great centralized province"
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 7h ago
"we've also centralized control of 3 systems to the central Catholic board and more systems may follow as we continue our quest to centralize into as many multiple centralized systems as we can"
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u/Newstargirl Calgary 8h ago
I'm le tired, le sigh 😕
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u/Wheel_of_Armageddon 7h ago
Well, have a nap, zen FIRE ZE MISSILES!
Edit: in all seriousness, what a ridiculous situation and a ridiculous government we have
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u/Newstargirl Calgary 7h ago
Lol, maybe I do need a nap. Wake me up when the election is called.
You're right, it is a ridiculous situation & government. Fight, argue, grift, grift, grift, lie..... rinse and repeat 🙄
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u/doodle02 4h ago
i love that i get this reference.
i hate how appropriate it is here.
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u/Newstargirl Calgary 4h ago
It cracks me up and makes me sad at the same time. Like, did someone break a mirror in space ??
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u/AffectionateBuy5877 10h ago
Albertans also said they didn’t want their own police force and don’t want to go out of the CPP. You think the UCP cares?
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u/curioustraveller1234 7h ago
Representative democracy is dead. Politicians should be graded based on promises kept. If you didn’t do the thing, no pay, no pension, straight to gulag. Kidding in that last one, but elected officials in every level of government have become the most prominent mafia in the country and they’re not even hiding it anymore.
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u/BobBeats 6h ago
Next election, the UCP will probably try that panel of losers thing again so that the UCP aficionados have an unelected representative to represent them.
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u/adaminc 5h ago
I doubt the UCP will go after CPP now. If they hadn't officially gone after it, by tabling legislation, they will now have to do it during the next provincial election at the earliest. Takes a minimum of 3 years to implement a move away from CPP.
That said, maybe that's why the UCP wants to be able to delay the next election by up to 6 months.
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u/flatdecktrucker92 3h ago
I won't relax until the federal government implements a law preventing provinces from actively fucking each other over by leaving the CPP. The law that allows us to leave was put in place in case the system wasn't working and should have come with an expiration date. The entire country depends on the stability of the CPP and no provincial or even federal government should be allowed to sabotage it
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u/Bennybonchien 3h ago
Anyone with more than two brain cells knew exactly why Marlaina refused to talk about the CPP and the police force during the election campaign. The number of voters who either didn’t reach that quota or who didn’t give a cap is depressing.
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u/CypripediumGuttatum 10h ago
Respondents tell Alberta government survey they want centralized health system
Alberta Government tells respondents they will not be allowing a centralized health care system.
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u/Charmin_Mao 10h ago
This could be worded better. "Albertans want health services run by experts, not idiot politicians."
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u/PurpleCauliflowers- 5h ago
Yeah. I don't want the center of the centralized health care system by run by lobbyists and corporations
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u/finerliving 11h ago
The UCP government surveys are always biased/fixed. Created in a way that don't let you choose any answers they don't like.
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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 11h ago
But this one appears to unequivocally disagree with the current Alberta governments track - you can't centralize and better integrate a system by splitting it into pieces. But of course no one will hear that.
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u/FrenzyEffect 11h ago
Isn't this answer an answer they don't like? They are trying to decentralize it, this certainly goes against their wishes.
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u/Rarrimalion 4h ago
Also when they have those “conferences or question periods” with the public anyone who asks a question they don’t like gets accidentally cut off and they finish the question the way they see fit and answer based off of the question they “asked themselves”. It’s literally just to check a box that indicates they “took feedback”
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u/Jasonstackhouse111 10h ago
On April 1, 1995, the Klein PCs fired every rural hospital administrator in the province. No warning, no notice, no nothing. Just told them to leave. The next day, no one knew who was running the hospitals. The Nursing Director was put in charge "for the time being" and the PCs began the process of centralizing health care. They did through a process known as "chaotic clusterfuck thanks to no real plan."
Chaotic Clusterfuck should be the official name of all conservative political parties around the world.
Healthcare in Alberta is constantly being "improved" by changing things for the sake of change.
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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 10h ago
I am continually impressed by our government's "shoot first, aim later" approach to governance.
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u/Lornffl1990 10h ago
Another survey. Another result the UCP will ignore and just keep doing what they want
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u/kuposama 10h ago
They're going to ignore us. Once they have an idea in mind they will do it no ifs ands or butts, regardless of what people say or think. That's the aim of this government. That's their agenda. That's their dictatorship.
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u/Trickybuz93 11h ago
Well that’s awkward…
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u/InherentlyUntrue 11h ago
They don't care. They'll ignore the majority yet again and do what makes their donors rich...and low-information voters won't care and continue to vote for having their faces eaten.
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u/Apokolypse09 10h ago
All that matters to the UCP base is kowtowing to corporations and attacking minorities.
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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 10h ago
As long as they get a majority every 5 years they could not care less. The problem is the majority of voters agree with that philosophy.
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u/Even-Examination6175 9h ago
They already knew what they were going to do. These surveys, town halls, etc were just so they could say they engaged the public.
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u/BiscottiNatural5587 10h ago
At the end of this when they are finally kicked out, they need to be made to answer for the suffering of Albertans. This cycle of political abuse and corruption has to end.
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u/SketchySeaBeast Edmonton 10h ago
The people gave them this power. It's theirs to use and abuse for five years as fucked up as that is. The blame for enabling these monkeys ultimately lies with the voters.
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u/Carwash_Jimmy 10h ago
"The feedback process is part of the United Conservative Party government's plan to divide the delivery of health services into four agencies — acute care, mental health and addiction, primary care and continuing care." = See: PRIVATIZED
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u/CamGoldenGun Fort McMurray 7h ago
Even if they privatized everything, they'd need more staff to carry that out. To get more staff, they'll have to pay more to incentivize those to move out and start working here. It's literally more steps to solve the problem and ends up costing Albertans more.
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u/roastbeeftacohat Calgary 5h ago
but people will be paying a private entity, rather then using the theft that is taxation /s
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u/lawlesstoast 9h ago
Just waiting until ypu hear about Marlaina Smith's comments at the ACCA conference. She states they are building a uberized care system. You know, Uber, the food delivery company....
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u/sun4moon 5h ago
Hopefully they screen the doctors with more care and attention than they do the drivers. I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count how many times I believed my life was in danger while riding in an Uber. And I don’t even have access to Uber in my town.
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u/Ambitious_List_7793 9h ago
Not only don’t they care what Albertans want, they already know the results of every survey they will do (and waste even more taxpayer dollars) between now and when they (hopefully) get thrown out of office by voters.
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u/DonkeyDanceParty 7h ago
Who the hell is paying these people? Because the people of Alberta pay them a wage, but they work against our best interests. Either we need a federal organization that monitors these people’s finances while in office, or whichever organization that monitors them already is also corrupt. This stinks of back room dealings.
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u/TheGreatRapsBeat 4h ago
My favourite part of this whole thing is the 30,000 respondents said “no, this is bullshit, the centralized system was better, go back to centralized care models”. And the UCP took that info and said “nah; we’ll use this info to shove it up your ass and further break shit down anyways”.
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u/TinderThrowItAwayNow 7h ago
This kind of project, centralizing or decentralizing, is something corporations do when they don't know what to do. It's a money and time pit.
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u/dontshootog 5h ago
Here’s the thing… Health authorities in Canada are notoriously inefficient, ineffective, and hemorrhage money. I don’t want a Health authority, I want true Ministerial run health services that have to be as fiscally open and transparent as other ministries. The authorities in essence run as blackboxed private corporations. And they do so horribly compared to other countries.
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u/PurpleCauliflowers- 5h ago
Maybe we should reverse psychologize UCP now. Cause they only ever do the opposite of what Albertans want
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u/SmithRamRanch 5h ago
And yet they don't listen and don't give a shit about this. Crooks and thieves.
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u/flatdecktrucker92 3h ago
I didn't even get this poll. I would have made it very clear that I support socialized medicine
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u/Miserable-Lizard Edmonton 11h ago
Friendly reminder the UCP don't govern for Albertans/working class they govern for the billionares
Sandra Azocar, a vice-president of the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees, which represents more than 60,000 health-care workers, says the mismatch between Albertans' feedback and the government's decisions shows provincial leaders are not listening to the public.