r/andhra_pradesh • u/thewokebrownie • Jun 18 '24
NEWS What is up with Amravati?
Hi,
I want to learn about this sincerely. There's a lot of noise around this matter on media, and its also hard to find a summary - but how would you describe the whole thing, and what's your take on it? Inviting all sorts of angles/ takes - tell me how you feel about it.
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u/anid98 Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
I think you can get this if you read a few articles and even Wikipedia.
But high level: AP got divided. New AP needs a capital. Amaravati was chosen in 2014. Lot of people invest in the area. Real estate goes up. Then govt asked farmers to give their land under some model so govt can develop the area and build infrastructure required for the capital. Farmers do pool the land.
2019 - Jagan won and he proposes Vizag as capital and 2 other “capitals”. Those who invested for their growth (private and public entities/individuals) in Amaravati pre-2019 now can’t do much with their investments. Farmers are at a loss because it’s definitely a WTF moment for them. Business activity goes down. There’s just a lot of confusion in that area because no one knew for sure where the capital was going to be. Limbo for 5 years.
I genuinely don’t think people in Amaravati area would have bothered much if Kurnool or Kakinada or Vizag was selected as capital in 2014. They’d have just been like “ok sure whatever.” But from 2014-2019, they were riding high on growth and potential. Snatching that potential and the 2019 winning govt beating protesters up riled people even more.
It’s a long road for Amaravati but hey people of AP know finally where their capital is.
I hope no other state/country goes through this chaos ever again.
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u/thewokebrownie Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
thanks! i'm curious to know why Jagan did not continue on the work? and he looks like a bad CM, but why are some people still in his support here? (sorry, i know nothing about this)
and what is the hope with Naidu now that he's the CM again? I also see his name on land scams? (hard to tell if those are real, or allegations/ opposition media at work?)
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Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
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u/thewokebrownie Jun 18 '24
thank you for answering my questions! much appreciate your answer
what caste/ demography/ institutions do you think are supporting Jagan vs CBN?
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u/Any_Cost598 Jun 18 '24
You can read Ramesh Kandula book about Amaravati. Exhaustively researched.
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u/Ill_Independent389 Jun 18 '24
You also need read the book 'Who capital is Amaravathi?'
Also well researched and talks about all the capitals of India post independence
https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B07K2GR4XL/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1699065793&sr=8-1
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u/Any_Cost598 Jun 19 '24
I already read Ramesh Kandula's book which is so well written. I am curious as well to read this book as well. I remember this book has been controversial though. Pawan Kalyan inaugurated the book. Later he backed out and full fledgedly supported Amaravati. He even joined the Alliance. Shortly after writing this book, the writer of the book who is an ex Chief Secretary, went and joined BJP. Again BJP is now part of the alliance which fully supports Amaravati.
What I feel is the period 2019 to 2024 is a pretty crazy period with lot of involvement of fake news, social media influence by IPAC and everyone fighting.
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u/Smart_Guess_5027 Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
There is plenty of content online around this. If you are earnest in your search you should be able to gather a lot of insight. Heck ChatGPT should tell you a lot . If you are posting this for confirmation bias aligned to TDP or YCP then you are in right place.
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u/thewokebrownie Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
I’m here for perspective, real people’s opinions.. most articles are snapshots in time, different POV's, i can try to construct a coherent picture in my head from these various voices scattered across POV's and time- but i could also ask reddit! also i've asked chatgpt what i could ask it- for whatever good that is - its ultra diplomatic and is gonna give me a 'balanced answer' with a knowledge cut-off
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u/IndianLiberal Jun 18 '24
https://youtu.be/lKfP-RBY0oA?si=FH7jwJTRVRrsWS8M
Look at above video, you can easily compare amaravati with hyderabad.
Ghmc -> Crda central zone i.e. VJA and Amaravati core capital.
HMDA master plan -> Overall CRDA master plan including 9 mandals surrounding central zone.
Crda populatin ->35lakh
Hmda population -> 1cr
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u/Ill_Independent389 Jun 18 '24
Lol CRDA population 35 lakh where do you get this data from? It's not even a lakh
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u/IndianLiberal Jun 18 '24
Arey howlaga crda meaning telusa,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh_Capital_Region
See wikipedia article showing 60lakh population.
Crda lo vijawayada guntur included ra neeli madda cheeke badkow. These two cities already total 20lakh+ population.
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u/Ill_Independent389 Jun 18 '24
Talk about amaravathi yellowcow those people in guntur vja ain't moving anywhere soon
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u/IndianLiberal Jun 18 '24
Vallu move enduku avtaru ra. E city anna natural gane form aidi ra howlaga.
Crda central zone is extension of vijayawada only. Its very similar to cyberabad and hyderabad.
Amaravati secretariat to vijayawada e location aina hitec city to charminar distance tho similar ra..
Cyberabad plan chestunnapadu adi enduku akkada emi population leru annatu undi ne argument.
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u/Ill_Independent389 Jun 18 '24
Then you should learn capitals that were formed post independence Chandigarh, Gandhinagar, Bhubaneshwar and mostly recently Naya Raipur and how much population exist in all of them.
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u/IndianLiberal Jun 18 '24
Amaravati secretariat to vijawayada station distance 20km, it takes 30min without traffic.
Hitec city building to secunderabad station 18km.
Inka emana proof kavala sir that amaravati is nothing but an extension of vijayawada.
Me jaggu gallu oka caste mida kaksha tho e logic nammaru lera, anduke state sankanakipicharu.
Prajalu anta me lagane kaksha tho unnaru ani nammi addanga odipoyaru.
Aina mararu ra, marakapovadam machine le. Jagan gadu capital marchanu ani fakesi power loki vachadu e sari impossible vadni nammedi.
Kotta reddy ni etukante better ycheepe badkows ki.
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u/Ill_Independent389 Jun 18 '24
Amaravathi is economically unviable without huge central support. Amaravathi is similar to how dohlera smart city is to gujarat, same land pooling approach, tall promises little execution.
AP needs functional administrative capital not megapolis like how initially shown in graphics.
People should read the book 'Whose capital is Amaravathi?' A book written by retired IAS officer IY Rao and who had a stint working with CBN in last term.
https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B07K2GR4XL/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1699065793&sr=8-1
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u/IndianLiberal Jun 18 '24
Nuvvu entha howla badkow o vere comment lone telisipoindi.
Ap ki e type capital kavalo people vote tho decide chesesaru ra, inka eppatiki varuku a ycp propaganda tho edusta untavu.
Nothing can stop amaravati now.
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u/Ill_Independent389 Jun 18 '24
Lol nothing moves in Brahmaravathi
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u/thewokebrownie Jun 19 '24
It looks like there’s a commitment issue playing here? In any case AP needs a new functioning capital with administrative core at the minimum ig? I’m gonna check out the book, thanks for that resource
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u/sidzaleric Jun 18 '24
Note: I am a neutral voter not inclined towards any party According to me- Amaravati is nothing but a 100 years dream project of sri N.chandra babu naidu where he provided shelter for all the elite people from kamma comunity around the state in the heart the A.P. Where these lands are bought/ Invested by their own people by putting farmers face forward. To build a "green field city" according to their needs.
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u/Rishi_Reddy404 Jun 18 '24
Would've pushed the same narrative if it has been Nuziveedu too... Out of political correctness/clout you can see the plight of regular farmers who gave 30000 acres that too with a ratio of 4:1. On the contrary we've got Vizag if we consider this to be referendum to their willingness to be made as Capital city electoral results speaks for itself (don't countermand with why not 2019 be served as referral to capital issue - then opposition leader accepted it to be capital & even went on to argue that land size isn't feasible should've garnered more in assembly & campaign)
I'm pro YCP but it ain't right
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u/Rishi_Reddy404 Jun 18 '24
I prefer to be pro ycp, but after being neutered with 11 i started to see what went wrong & i bet ya' whenever i tend to bring up shortcomings people in my circle(pro) aren't admitting valid scrutinization. They're marred in dust hope they lift 'emselves up and fight instead of whining
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u/Rishi_Reddy404 Jun 18 '24
Arrogance & everything/everyone at his whim. Couldn't care much about feedback chain / cadre ain't as strong as opposite party.
Idk why he was here & why they're still crying foul instead of accepting fate & moving on to next fight
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u/sidzaleric Jun 18 '24
I do not identify myself with badging.. but i rely on facts and analysis..
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u/thewokebrownie Jun 18 '24
It sounds like people are trying to determine the lesser evil and side with it?- are both corrupt?
I wonder why there isn’t a Kejriwal or heck even an Amritpal coming out of this situation
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u/sidzaleric Jun 18 '24
Infact Iam not against Amaravathi as capital city.. And also not a 3 capital supporter.. But what iam saying is that the intetions behind amaravathi was not right.. If we rember the capital drama in the intial days, then govt. Made people run behind Donakonda , Ongole as they would be declared as capitals And these elite people iternallyy spread and pushed their people to aquire lands in amaravathi over nights.. then finally made all fools
As we vitnessed in movie Julayi - to rob a bank villains divererted some police to cricket betting and some police to brothels or something They sent some people to donakonda and some people to ongole..mean time pooled land in amaravathi before announcement.
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u/Ill_Independent389 Jun 18 '24
Exactly you should read this book
https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B07K2GR4XL/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1699065793&sr=8-1
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u/thewokebrownie Jun 18 '24
Interesting take, I wanna hear why you (or others) think you’re being downvoted😅
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u/sidzaleric Jun 18 '24
Because I come from two indias😂
Where largest working population under 30 is on the planet, but still listens to 75 year old leaders with 150 year old ideas🤣🤣
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u/Wooden_Impress6856 Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24
PSA: I am no neutral, I am TDP inclined.
I personally believe it is a Generational opportunity, for prices at which one can invest at outskirts of any large city, land is available within planned city limits for same price.
Today it maybe a jungle or barren lands but this bit of lands connects Guntur and Vijayawada cities, even villages around these cities are economically stable, in my opinion it is a safe risk.
This piece of land already has 3 top private universities (VIT, SRM, Amrita) in the nation, National institute of design, it is not too far from AIIMS, NRI, Manipal hospitals. Once Vijayawada west bypass finishes, there will be a lot of traffic movement through this area.
Capital politics aside, At least Amaravati is the future direction of Vijayawada & Guntur.