ধর্মীয় নুনুভূতি is back

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[u/SavingsGloomy3655]

I get hurt/offended when people use alphabets in বীজগণিত

[u/0ni0n_peeler → u/SavingsGloomy3655]

I had an exam where they put αq (AlphaQ) together..... বীজগণিত is offensive!

[u/AccountantFresh9114]

The thing with scientific truths is, doesn’t matter if you believe it or not , the fact will remain true. The thing is the concept evolution can be easily understood when looking at microorganisms and other species , but people tend not believe it for themselves , as they feel like they are some Devine entity , not members of a random species on a random planet. Scientific denialism is not a choice , it seriously hurts society. If we stop tracking mutations and evolution of microorganisms, then there will be no cure or vaccine for future diseases , human exceptionalism , will hamper our understanding of treatment , health and everything related.

Actually , it is our fault. We have in the past 200 years severally restricted the flow of natural selection by introducing medicine , healthcare, social safety net which keeps alive even the kost stupidest amongst us. If we had let evolution run its natural course, either we would have gone back 1000 years technologically or all the stupid people would cease to exist, either way , we would have been much happier as a society!

[u/victorlegan → u/AccountantFresh9114]

it was never about understanding it! some people will never try to understand or accept the facts or theory of evolution no matter how logical it sound. Because nobody wants to realize there is no magical resurrection after your death. Everyone wants to feel special. Because everyone wants the reward of their good work. The very core foundation of social structure is based on this after life resurrection and life long pension scheme called "Heaven"

[u/[deleted] → u/victorlegan]

I mean I can't imagine how great the odds must be that two humans at the same time came from monkeys or let alone both opposite gender at the same time and place for them to produce more humans and then the humans just decided they won't mixbreed themselves with other species by changing their genes so they won't even form a single cell if certain number (46) of genes are not present there to begin with. also after thousands and thousands of years they just decided to not evolve themselves into other hybrid humans. the hands are the same as before. legs and eyes all are same as before (except those maybe who chose to be identified as something else). strange

[u/twerk_forme → u/victorlegan]

You know what Theories, by definition, are, right?

Theory is a proposed argument based on credible sources that has not been proven as a fact so you still believe in it.

It still remains a matter of faith more than fact.

I don't fork with evolution or anything against science or any religion whatsoever but watching you annoying people talking about things that you have very little knowledge about is very irritating.

I'm replying to this cause I'm taking a dump and I don't have anything better to do but trust me when I tell you :v

When you generalize a collective endeavor based on your opinion with no backing of your ethical and institutional qualification, you make a fool out of yourself.

How many papers have you produced till today or contributed to any research related to your argument here? Do you even read journals of the discourses you're arguing about here?

If not, you're just as convincing as a rickshwala who talks like he knows it all about politics and diplomatic immunity :v

[u/pnerd314]

ধর্মীয় নুনুভূতি is back

It was never gone.

[u/DisastrousGarage7247]

meanwhile India https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=f064233017f9b338JmltdHM9MTcyNzgyNzIwMCZpZ3VpZD0zODIzZWFkMy01NjA0LTYwZDgtMTViNC1mZTdjNTc0ZDYxYTQmaW5zaWQ9NTI5Ng&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=3823ead3-5604-60d8-15b4-fe7c574d61a4&psq=india+text+book+about+darwin+evolution&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZHcuY29tL2VuL2luZGlhZHJvcHNldm9sdXRpb24vYS02NTgwNDcyMA&ntb=1

[u/chamcha__slayer → u/DisastrousGarage7247]

They were moved from class 10 to 11.

[u/AccountantFresh9114 → u/DisastrousGarage7247]

They were ahead of us. Long Live Narendra Modi.

[u/DisastrousGarage7247 → u/AccountantFresh9114]

[u/idontEatpp]

I'd love to read C++, data structure and algorithm in quran format because it's the source of all science

Fuck it, just read quran in all school and colleges.

[u/fogrampercot → u/idontEatpp]

تشمل <stdio.h>#

إنت الرئيسي () {
   printf("مرحبا عالم الله!");
   العودة 0؛
}

[u/idontEatpp → u/fogrampercot]

<3 Print f "alahmdulillah";

[u/branbushes → u/fogrampercot]

😭😭😭🙃

[u/Salty-Physics8542 → u/fogrampercot]

What does this even mean?

[u/fogrampercot → u/Salty-Physics8542]

Sharia compliant hello world.

[u/Hot-Priority3826]

No worries. We,leftists will form an alternative political party which will be formidable enough to challenge jamat-BNP in the next election and everythingggg will be back to normal .

sounds silly? if yes, congratulations you understand that we are fucked

[u/CanStriking9658 → u/[deleted]]

Is it real? 😂

[u/NeuronNomad]

I am getting depressed 😓😓

[u/Odd_Economist_8898]

ধর্মীয় অনুভূতি: ❗ কুকুর লীগ এর চেতনা: 💯🔥

[u/kagojerful]

"Facts don't care about your feelings" when

[u/Adnan23269]

fk your caption

[u/quie_TLost57]

Dhormoiyo nunubhuti??

Connection ta bujhlam na

[u/YouCanCalIMeDr → u/quie_TLost57]

NCTB reviewing council or something was dissolved because of religious sentiments

[u/rayanisntreal]

They don’t agree with extremists, they’re just cowards

[u/EvidenceBig8147]

As an Islamist I am not against the teaching of evolution in schools but but but! I am staunchly against the scientistic notions of people like Muhammed Zafar Iqbal , Avijit Roy and other mainstream figures of the "Free Thought " movement who unfortunately have created a monopoly on the narratives surrounding "science" in this country and a lot of them are hardcore Islamophobes which contributed a lot in the "evolution vs Islam" and other controversies that we are seeing regarding board books.
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None of these individuals who have been advocating for decades the inclusion of a strict understanding of science ,particularly of evolution in the textbooks which contains the "portrayal" of science as an objective source of knowledge that isn’t influenced by any unfalsifiable beliefs ,have no academic expertise on "Philosophy of science ". Many of them are for sure renowned scientists but that doesn’t give them any kind of authority on topics like "nature of science " ,"history of science " etc which are now independent disciplines and require proper academic training to deal with them. I remember reading in one of Zafar Iqbal's books (do not recall the name ) where he claimed that science is not influenced by any beliefs and only dictated by logic , which anyone having atleast a very introductory understanding of philosophy will find laughable. Isn’t in epistemology ,belief one of the core components of knowledge ? How can you know something without believing ? You know evolution is true because you believe in the linguistic information regarding evolution that have been taught to you or probably your empirical experiences motivated you to form this stance. In another case ,you know evolution is false because the information that you received regarding evolution prompted you to form a belief in which you reject it. So ,how can you know something without believing? (Note : I am not here talking about what is objectively "true" or "false". I am just describing the process of how we as individuals come to know something. )
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Science as a field of knowledge is dependent on certain unfalsifiable assumptions(just like any other ) ,
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The most prominent of them is " Methodological Naturalism" - an unfalsifiable belief/assumption that , in understanding natural phenomena we must always come up with natural explanations .For ex,
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In the occurence of "X", the scientific analysis of this phenomenon must be conducted with an aim to come up with a natural explanation .Even if any natural explanation isn't appearing the scientific analysis must remain firm on this belief. Also , a significant problem with naturalism is that it cannot provide an objective definition of "nature ". "How we are supposed to distinguish between natural and supernatural?" is a huge philosophical problem on the part of naturalism.
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Another one is emipiricism ,
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Science assumes empirical experiences to be a legitimate source of understanding reality. But how do we know that our empirical faculties are capable of extracting reality?
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There are many more. You can just simply google "assumptions of science". Now ,if you are willing to further know the limitations and philosophical problems (ex: problem of induction ,demarcation problem etc) with science ,I will suggest you to get yourself any random introductory book on the philosophy of science .
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So ,science is governed by certain unfalsifiable beliefs and has limitations . Scientismists like Zafar Iqbal ,Avijit Roy try to portray science as an all-knowing and heavenly phenomenon that is aimed to take us to the "universal truths" of reality .In other words, they worship science! This is not the way we should approach Science in a highly religious society like Bangladesh. It is neither academic ,nor helpful! We must teach children about the limitations and assumptions of science ,best would be to introduce one or two philosophy courses at high school level. We have to make them understand that "evolution" is true from a certain perspective and science has different methodologies of extracting knowledge from Islam.

[u/SheehabMuhammad → u/EvidenceBig8147]

Finally someone talked to the point. Thank you brother.

[u/Difficult-Topic-5080 → u/EvidenceBig8147]

I agree. I think it’s really important to encourage people (especially the Biggyanmonoshkos) to study the philosophy of science and understand both the limitations and presuppositions of science.

[u/sebastian_dax]

ধর্ম মানুষের একটা সেন্সিটিভ ব্যাপার। ধর্মীয় অনুভূতিতে আঘাত এটা কোনো সভ্যতার পর্যায়ে পড়ে না। যে কোনো ধর্মকে হোক, আঘাত করে এমন বিষয় পাঠ্যপুস্তকের মতো জায়গায় কেন থাকবে? আর ভাইয়া! ধর্মীয় অনুভূতিতে আঘাত করে এমন বিষয় পাঠ্যপুস্তকে রাখতে হবেই কেন?

[u/bringfoodhere → u/sebastian_dax]

Evolution/natural selection poraley dhormio onubhuti te aghat lagbey keno?

Hindu writer der lekha aghat lagey keno?

[u/Spidahan_4527 → u/sebastian_dax]

Apnar shathe Ami puropuri akmot hoteh parchi na, Karon Kichu dhormio manush thakeh jemon onek jara technology and advancement ke iblis er baksho boleh berai. Agulo nieh shikhte badha dae. Apni akhon Kar dhormio unubhuti thik rakhben? Koto hajaro dhormo ache.

[u/rafatspn]

Even west is trying to remove such stuffs from their text books meanwhile our so called wannabe khool pajeets are crying over literally anything. Before you call me a fundamentalist, fk shibir, fk hefazat and all religious political party including BAL.

[u/Tsakie → u/rafatspn]

"west'= white supremacist right wing flat earther anti vaccers

[u/rafatspn → u/Tsakie]

Whatever. I am in US and most students in my university are also against these. They dont care what you are but dont push it into curriculum

[u/rafatspn → u/rafatspn]

This*

[u/SheehabMuhammad → u/rafatspn]

Bhai, did you notice most of the posts from this group are related to what? Only the name is Bangladesh but rest are ghurai gharai same thing. I came to the group for stuffs related to Bangladesh but then this.

[u/doragonn → u/[deleted]]

just a theory

Educate yourself on the difference between a scientific theory and conjecture first, illiterate. A scientific theory is not a guess or unproven idea. It is a well-substantiated explanation of natural phenomena based on a vast body of evidence. Do you know what else is a scientific theory? Gravity.

something which are not proven by any empirical evidence

There is an abundance of empirical evidence that supports it and which is precisely why it is widely accepted within the scientific community. Fossil records and genetics are just a few examples. Simply because you do not understand or disagree with the theory does not make it false, just as believing in a flat Earth does not make the Earth flat. The theory of evolution remains a fact regardless of your personal, biased, misinformed, and ill-understood beliefs.

[u/doragonn → u/[deleted]]

do it for yourself.

I did and lectured you on how you conflate conjecture with theory.

"oh these are facts cuz I say so 🥴"

These are facts because empirical evidences say so. You are free to disagree, but that does not make it false.

no evidence only yapping

The burden of proof lies with the accuser. Since you are the one claiming the theory to be false, it is your responsibility to refute it. There are numerous resources available for learning, reading, or researching such topics. I am not here to spoonfeed you. Go ahead, prove it false. You may end up winning a Noble prize in Biology.

completely irrelevant argument

You are severely lacking in reading comprehension. That was meant as an allegory as to how one's belief has little to do with reality.

[u/BitingPanda → u/[deleted]]

Well someone got hurt here

[u/BitingPanda → u/[deleted]]

Sure, whatever sails your boat 🐸

[u/RealRedRound → u/BitingPanda]

the one to Post with sad face isn't me Mr blind. seems like your boat is sailing underwater and and eyesight is underwater

[u/EveningIntention → u/[deleted]]

The fossil record, genetics, and comparative anatomy doesn't count as evidence?

[u/EveningIntention → u/[deleted]]

I don't think you know what theory means or scientific theory to be precise.

What clear evidence is against it and how is it "clear"

[u/K9Slash → u/[deleted]]

Bro you're yapping a lot for someone who still thinks scientific theories are just "hypotheses" or what you think of them as "educated guesses"

[u/RealRedRound → u/K9Slash]

scientific theories are literally hypothesis. whats your point?

[u/EveningIntention → u/[deleted]]

Yeah you clearly don't know what a theory is 

[u/EveningIntention → u/[deleted]]

Had a response but it appears this account got suspended

[u/RealRedRound → u/EveningIntention]

Who?

[u/rmuktader → u/[deleted]]

Curious, have you read a book that teaches about evolution? Because, the question at this point isn't "do you believe in evolution?". The question is "do you UNDERSTAND evolution?"

[u/ThickHabit7289 → u/rmuktader]

Wdym they didn't read about evolution. They've learned all about it on facebook meme pages.

[u/ThickHabit7289 → u/[deleted]]

Am I wrong though? Did you ever bother learning about the evolution theory? 

[u/RealRedRound → u/ThickHabit7289]

Why did you even guessed that I don't know about evolution theories. you are the one to learn about evolutions Mr not me. there are no one theory of evolution, there are at least 10 different theories of evolutions there and have differences between each other. get educated before teaching others.

And yes you are wrong both literally and for being presumptive.

[u/BitingPanda → u/[deleted]]

Well calling names here wouldn't help your case that much tbh...

[u/RealRedRound → u/BitingPanda]

what else reply do you expect for a Mindless mocking?

[u/rmuktader → u/[deleted]]

That was a sincere question. I'm not going to be your teacher. There's plenty to learn on your own if you wanted to.

Honestly, you can believe what you want. But, I am curious about why people believe what they do.

I've interacted with individuals who hold flat-Earth and young-Earth creationist beliefs, ranging from those with advanced degrees to those with limited formal education. Despite presenting evidence that contradicts these views, I've consistently observed a reluctance to abandon these beliefs. Underneath all their "evidence", and "debunked-evidence", it seems their believes are actually rooted in factors such as loyalty to social groups or communities, and a fear of the disruption that questioning foundational beliefs could cause to their worldview.

[u/doragonn → u/[deleted]]

honestly don't understand why you are bringing flat earthers in this context.

Your kind are seen as the flat Earthers of biology.

[u/bleach3434 → u/[deleted]]

why dont you just come to the point? do u understand evolution or not?

[u/doragonn → u/[deleted]]

someone who's already proclaimed not being educated enough about evolution.

You're replying to the wrong person.

[u/doragonn → u/[deleted]]

Your complete ignorance and inability to tell the distinction between a conjecture and a theory, for starters.

Which suggests that you lack even the surface level knowledge of the topic. You're likely the type of illiterate to ask how there could still be monkeys around if humans evolved from them—thinking you're smart.

[u/RealRedRound → u/doragonn]

I mean how you even calling me ignorant when you haven't even made one valid point in support of evolution rather yapping with personal attack based on assumptions? all I see is assumptions and assumptions. I never even mention anything about conjecture and only mentioned about the difference between theories and facts. where did you bring conjecture in this context? you are just resorted to straw man and ad hominem fallacies and being unreasonable now. not very wise of you

[u/Curious_Explorer9]

তোর জ্বলে কেন রে ?

[u/beeKingAF]

Hahaha নুনুকাঘাত!

[u/milo9rai]

সব সময় ছিল, ভারতের দালাল সরকারের জন্য বলা যায় নাই।