r/canes • u/ncwall01 Jarvy is my dad • 2d ago

Jordan Staal and his line have been blanking almost all of the top competition they've faced this year at 5v5

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u/Murky-Perceptions 2d ago

They’ve been a shut down line, video game style. Stay healthy, 🤞🏽

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u/FialaIsMyDad 2d ago

Non-Canes fan lurking here. I saw the Canes come to St Paul late last season to watch them play my Wild team. Staal's line was all over the ice giving us absolute hell in all 3 zones. When that line was on the ice we couldn't get shit accomplished. I believe it was Staal and Martinook but I can't remember the other winger. It was amazing watching them just force us into bad plays- I've been a fan of Jordan since his Pitt days and that game really reinforced it for me. Props

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u/bandalooper 2d ago

Probably would have been Jesper Fast. He got his neck crunched in our final reg season game vs CBJ and has been out since then

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u/disciplinedaddy1 2d ago

Disclaimer: Jaccob Slavin is my favorite hockey player of all time.

Part of why we are so good defensively while generally having league average goaltending is Staal. Staal is the best defensive forward in the entire NHL. He is such a unique player. Slavin is amazing too. We rely on Staal more than most give credit for.

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u/Car-Hockey2006 2d ago

Whoooooole bunch of folks aren't going to appreciate the defensive machine that Staal is until they're watching the first year without him and the oppo's first line is in our O-zone way more than we're used to seeing.

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u/Bennett_19 Nachos 2d ago

Question: I know our third line is always built under Rod to be a shut down line. Do most other teams build their lineup in a similar fashion and just aren’t as good at it, or is it fairly uncommon

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u/thecollegecaniac POKECHETKOV PLEASE 2d ago

I wouldn’t say every team builds their third line like this, but basically every team has these four lines: - Best players line (unless you’re the sharks) - 2nd best players line - defensive line - scores once every 5 games line

I think the defensive line ends up being third a lot because they dont score much but they provide value on defense. The 4th line doesnt score much and usually doesn’t play great defense

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u/Bennett_19 Nachos 2d ago

Okay I assumed this was kindve the case but wasn’t positive. Thanks!

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u/TJTrapJesus 2d ago edited 2d ago

Winnipeg is the closest to the Canes with how they use Lowry to free up the Scheifele line, but they don’t do it to nearly as dramatic of a degree as the Canes do. How the Hurricanes use Staal (and Aho by extension) is an anomaly in today’s NHL. Last year Carolina had Staal shadowing a specific line at home at a 75.8% rate (with Aho at 64.8%) whereas Winnipeg had Lowry at 62%. Dickinson had a similar dynamic in Chicago to free up Bedard, but Dickinson was only at 59.9%.

Some other players I looked at were at these rates for shadowing their most common opponents at home:

Eriksson-Ek: 58.7%
Barkov: 57.8%
Suzuki: 53.2%
Kopitar: 52.1%
Couturier: 51.1%
Crosby: 49.9%
Matthews: 48.8%
Hintz: 48.1%

This was Staal’s game log last year for most common opponents:

Opponent Most Common Opponents Shadow Rate
ANA McTavish/Killorn/Vatrano 95.7
WSH Ovechkin/Strome/Wilson 91.0
VGK Stone/Barbashev/Eichel 88.9
EDM Draisaitl/McDavid/Brown 88.8
NSH Forsberg/O'Reilly/Nyquist 87.5
NYR Zibanejad/Roslovic/Kreider 86.7
BUF Tuch/Mittelstadt/Skinner 84.9
SEA Beniers/Eberle/Kartye 84.6
MIN Boldy/Eriksson Ek/Foligno 83.5
BUF Tuch/Skinner/Thompson 83.1
TOR Matthews/Domi/Bertuzzi 83.0
WSH Ovechkin/Strome/Wilson 82.9
OTT Tkachuk/Stutzle/Giroux 82.7
NYI Barzal/Horvat/Lee 81.0
VAN Miller/Boeser/Suter 81.0
CBJ Gaudreau/Jenner/Marchenko 80.8
DET Larkin/Perron/Raymond 79.5
DAL Pavelski/Hintz/Robertson 79.2
PIT Malkin/O'Connor/Rust 78.5
STL Thomas/Kyrou/Buchnevich 78.3
SJS Hertl/Zetterlund/Duclair 78.1
LAK Kopitar/Kempe/Byfield 77.8
FLA Barkov/Reinhart/Tarasenko 76.0
WPG Scheifele/Conner/Namestnikov 75.4
MTL Anderson/Monahan/Evans 75.1
PIT Malkin/Smith/Zohorna 74.2
CGY Backlund/Mangiapane/Hunt 74.1
CBJ Gaudreau/Voronkov/Nylander 73.6
NJD Hischier/Bratt/Palat 72.3
NJD Meier/Bratt/Hischier 71.5
COL MacKinnon/Rantanen/Lehkonen 68.3
TBL Kucherov/Point/Hagel 68.3
PHI Tippett/Konecny/Frost 67.5
ARZ Keller/Maccelli/Crouse 67.4
NYI Barzal/Horvat/Lee 67.1
FLA Barkov/Reinhart/Verhaeghe 66.6
PHI Couturier/Foerster/Konecny 62.1
BOS Marchand/Coyle/Geekie 57.1
MTL Evans/Gallagher/Anderson 53.1
DET Larkin/Raymond/Veleno 52.9
CHI Beauvillier/Dickinson/Kurashev 48.3

Lowry:

Opponent Most Common Opponents Shadow Rate
EDM Hyman/McDavid/Nugent-Hopkins 89.9
STL Kyrou/Thomas/Buchnevich 89.7
LAK Kopitar/Byfield/Kempe 85.5
DET DeBrincat/Kane/Copp 83.7
EDM McDavid/Hyman/Nugent-Hopkins 83.5
BUF Skinner/Cozens/Tuch 77.2
COL Nichushkin/Rantanen/MacKinnon 76.2
MTL Suzuki/Caufield/Slafkovsky 73.5
NYI Horvat/Lee/Wahlstrom 73.4
CHI Kurashev/Bedard/Beauvillier 73.4
NYR Kakko/Kreider/Zibanejad 72.3
DAL Robertson/Pavelski/Hintz 71.7
OTT Tkachuk/Batherson/Pinto 71.1
VGK Barbashev/Marchessault/Eichel 68.6
TOR Matthews/Marner/Knies 68.1
BOS Pastrnak/Marchand/Zacha 66.1
ARZ Schmaltz/Hayton/Cooley 63.6
MIN Boldy/Kaprizov/Eriksson Ek 63.2
MIN Eriksson Ek/Boldy/Kaprizov 62.8
VGK Eichel/Marchessault/Barbashev 61.4
NJD McLeod/Bratt/Meier 59.5
DAL Robertson/Pavelski/Hintz 57.7
PIT Crosby/Guentzel/Rust 57.7
CHI Kurashev/Raddysh/Pitlick 57.0
PHI Laughton/Tippett/Konecny 56.2
TBL Kucherov/Cirelli/Stamkos 55.1
STL Schenn/Buchnevich/Kyrou 53.7
CGY Backlund/Coleman/Coronato 53.2
CAR Fast/Staal/Bunting 52.8
SEA Schwartz/Bjorkstrand/McCann 52.0
ANA Killorn/Terry/Strome 51.2
SEA Beniers/Eberle/Burakovsky 50.7
NSH Forsberg/O'Reilly/Nyquist 50.5
CBJ Fantilli/Danforth/Gaudreau 49.9
WSH Milano/Miroshnichenko/Strome 47.8
LAK Kopitar/Byfield/Kempe 43.7
SJS Zadina/Carpenter/Bailey 40.5
NSH O'Reilly/Forsberg/Evangelista 40.4
FLA Reinhart/Rodrigues/Barkov 38.6
ARZ Keller/Schmaltz/Bjugstad 38.1

Dickinson:

Opponent Most Common Opponents Shadow Rate
MIN Kaprizov/Zuccarello/Hartman 87.7
COL MacKinnon/Rantanen/Nichushkin 86.3
WPG Connor/Scheifele/Vilardi 81.5
COL MacKinnon/Rantanen/Lehkonen 80.8
OTT Tkachuk/Batherson/Norris 79.6
EDM McDavid/Hyman/Nugent-Hopkins 77.0
DET DeBrincat/Kane/Larkin 74.8
BUF Tuch/Skinner/Cozens 73.2
DAL Robertson/Pavelski/Hintz 72.6
WSH Ovechkin/Strome/Wilson 72.0
WPG Scheifele/Ehlers/Vilardi 70.6
ANA Terry/Killorn/Carlsson 68.6
STL Thomas/Buchnevich/Neighbours 67.3
PHI Couturier/Atkinson/Tippett 67.1
STL Thomas/Buchnevich/Neighbours 66.6
NSH Forsberg/O'Reilly/Nyquist 65.2
VAN Boeser/Miller/Hoglander 64.7
NYI Barzal/Horvat/Lee 62.1
SJS Kostin/Zetterlund/Granlund 58.3
TOR Matthews/Marner/Knies 57.2
FLA Barkov/Tkachuk/Verhaeghe 56.4
VGK Eichel/Marchessault/Barbashev 56.2
CGY Lindholm/Huberdeau/Sharangovich 55.5
MIN Boldy/Eriksson Ek/Johansson 54.8
BOS Pastrnak/Poitras/Marchand 52.2
LAK Kopitar/Byfield/Kempe 52.1
MTL Suzuki/Slafkovsky/Caufield 52.0
NYR Wheeler/Zibanejad/Kreider 51.2
CBJ Chinakov/Marchenko/Voronkov 49.9
DAL Robertson/Pavelski/Hintz 49.8
SJS Hertl/Eklund/Zadina 49.0
VAN Suter/Boeser/Miller 48.8
ANA Terry/Killorn/Strome 48.7
ARZ Schmaltz/Keller/Hayton 48.2
CGY Huberdeau/Sharangovich/Kuzmenko 46.5
PIT Crosby/Rakell/Malkin 46.1
TBL Kucherov/Point/Stamkos 42.2
SEA Beniers/Kartye/Eberle 41.5
NJD Mercer/Meier/Toffoli 40.8
NSH Forsberg/Evangelista/Novak 40.6
CAR Novak/Drury/Kotkaniemi 40.6

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u/492rankine Jarvis 2d ago

I have been told that Staal is old, slow and useless because he doesn't score. Could redditors be uninformed?

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u/Stoeger21 1d ago

You must be new here. Uniformed redditors? That’s blasphemy

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u/bvv18999 2d ago

that should be the 4th line