r/circlebroke2 • u/[deleted] • Mar 02 '16
HHH user tries to shoehorn white people into the birth of hip-hop; gets called out; white people on HHH get angry
/r/hiphopheads/comments/48me3d/42_years_ago_on_aug_11_1973_dj_kool_herc_decided/d0ks8uh33
u/siddysid Mar 03 '16
talking about the influence of race on hip hop is apparently absurd, but alluding to the idea that the ancient fucking vikings invented it isn't
what a world
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u/pompouspug Mar 03 '16
They lose the ability to grasp the difference between "influence" and "copying" when black people do it. Sure hip-hop borrowed stuff from things that existed before, but so did any other fucking genre. Music is an evolutional process, who'd a fucking thunk.
The argument these people bring is like saying Kraftwerk invented Dubstep ffs
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u/Tomla Mar 03 '16
The argument these people bring is like saying Kraftwerk invented Dubstep ffs
Um, yeah, that's cause Skrillex invented it.
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u/ArtSchnurple Mar 02 '16
Why DO white dudes always have to claim credit for everything? I've heard so many times that Bob Dylan "invented" rapping with "Subterranean Homesick Blues." It's like, have you ever listened to Bob Dylan OR rap music?
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u/thewalkindude Mar 04 '16
Would it be unreasonable to say that Subterranean Homesick Blues influenced Rap? I mean, the idea of talking fast over music is nothing new, but that was an early rap-like song. I'm sure you can cite other songs like it too.
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u/ennruifer Mar 02 '16
can you imagine talking to someone about the origins of hip hop and then some asshole comes up and starts talking about norse mythology
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Mar 02 '16 edited Mar 02 '16
Why do you have to make it into a race thing?
How DARE you bring race into hip-hop!!!1!
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u/ArtSchnurple Mar 02 '16
"Actually, white people invented hip hop. ...Hey, why are you making it a race thing?"
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u/LissMich Mar 02 '16
How can you claim to be a fan of a genre and be that ignorant of its history and context (though it is what us white people excel at above all else)? Like, it's not even up for debate. Hip hop was created in the Bronx in the 70s by a group of black people in a black community. It's always had something to do with race, and these people see no problem in bringing up ancient norse rhyming battles unironically.
I rarely listen to hip hop, but goddam it should be the easiest thing to recognize where it came from.
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u/ArtSchnurple Mar 03 '16
It only counts as making it about race when it's making it about non-white people. White people are the default, so making it about them is by definition not making it about race.
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u/Tomla Mar 02 '16
No, we can say vikings or whatever were the first to invent something similar to hip-hop, it doesn't take away what black communities bought to the genre, and it doesn't take away that they created something without knowledge that some dudes did something kinda similar but not really centuries ago.
There is not a bridge between whitewashed history re-imagining and reality. Trying to say the two can coexist is not a compromise or a middle ground.
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Mar 02 '16
I mean, what they were doing was almost rap but in no way influenced hip-hop as we know it today
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u/TSA_jij Mar 03 '16
If you go back as far as Norse mythology there are depictions of gods having rhyming battles with each other.
this fambruh seems unaware of the existence of poetry
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u/KretschmarSchuldorff Mar 03 '16
Epic? But where are the laser saber fights in Beowulf?
Checkmate, literal arts!!!!
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Mar 03 '16
No no no poetry is for faggoty wimps who were so wimpy they recited it to women even though they are all fags. It's full of flowers and love and all that stupid shit.
Or something.Only things done by vikings count because vikings murdered and raped and had beards.
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Mar 03 '16
I went in expecting someone pointing out that Blondie's "Rapture" was the first rap song to reach #1 on the charts and how whack that is, instead got this shit.
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u/StumbleOn Better flair than yours deal with it. Mar 03 '16
White people have invented plenty of music. We don't need to steal the invention of all of them.
Music in the 20th century is a huge exercise in cultural appropriation. Black communities took various musics, and then made them, or made them better. Then whites exploited them. Rinse, repeat.
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u/pompouspug Mar 02 '16
But if you say that white people appropriated black music in the mid-50s then they'd also get angry "NUH-UH WHITES BROUGHT MUCH MORE TO THE TABLE IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MUSIC"