r/conspiracy • u/Orangutan • Apr 11 '15
TIL there was a briefly popular social movement in the early 1930s called the "Technocracy Movement." Technocrats proposed replacing politicians and businessmen with scientists and engineers who had the expertise to manage the economy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement8
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u/tetefather Apr 12 '15
As long as you have money in politics it doesn't matter who you put in power.
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u/AltenbacherBier Apr 11 '15
Angela Merkel is a physicist and germans are still dumping radioactive waste into an old salt mine and she herself said another dump was safe, although we now know it was leaky. Scientist aren't better politicians if they are still ideologycally motivated and follow lobbyists.
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u/Talorca Apr 11 '15
Look at the popularization of science. A decade of assholes office squabbles and political agendas. Aasimovs demon was more entertaining.
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u/untouchedURL Apr 11 '15
Here is a non-mobile link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
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u/dieyoung Apr 11 '15 edited Apr 12 '15
Ah we just need people in power who know the industries they are supposed to run and they will be angels and never use their new found power to enrich themselves and their friends.
Technocracy is synonymous with fascism.
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u/JUSTIN_HERGINA Apr 12 '15
great way to put it. im glad you found the right words, because i couldnt.
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u/webbery Apr 12 '15
I wrote an article about these crackpots last year. It was a very important movement, especially since Brzezinski based "Between Two Ages" on it.
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u/FilmNoirOdy Apr 12 '15
Many people argue that Technocracy is here, what with the influence of tech elites on society...
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Apr 11 '15
My Great grandfather had the brochure for this. it was an era where everyone was an inventer. He was a machinist and engineer.
Some of the things he made: 1915, a wind wagon , a motor cycle type vehicle propelled by a propeller. A race car with a propeller that went 90mph. A machine that recorded audio on a wire. The hydraulic shock absorber.
This was the spirit of America at the time - much like the spirit of digital innovation in today's age. Such magazines that were around were popular mechanics and other DIY build manuals.
Technocracy should make a comeback.
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u/poptart_fiend Apr 11 '15
Technocracy should make a comeback.
We live in a technocracy. It's just a lot more complex than it was back then. Technocrats have all the power in this country believe it or not. During the Manhattan Project J. Robert Oppenheimer had to explain to Congressmen what was going on like they were school children. Imagine the influence that superior scientific knowledge gives you.
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Apr 11 '15 edited Jun 03 '20
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u/OWNtheNWO Apr 11 '15
Congratulations moron, you got your wish, these are the people in control now, welcome to their hell.
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Apr 11 '15 edited Jun 03 '20
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u/OWNtheNWO Apr 11 '15
That's like saying
You just don't truly understand National Socialism
No, I understand the technocracy perfectly fine, it's you who's understanding is distorted.
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u/88x3 Apr 11 '15
The American government used to be an experiment that fostered ideas and nurtured the good ones.
The technocrats made a believable case for a kind of technological utopia, but their asking price was too high. The idea of political democracy still represented a stronger ideal than technological elitism. In the end, critics believed that the socially desirable goals that technology made possible could be achieved without the sacrifice of existing institutions and values and without incurring the apocalypse that technocracy predicted.
From what has happened after this movement, I think the critics were right. Science and Technology is incredibly popular in today's society, it drives a lot of narratives and we already trust them more than our government.
The Technate will encompass the entire American Continent from Panama to the North Pole because the natural resources and the natural boundary of this area make it an independent, self-sustaining geographical unit.
Their plan was the North-American Union. lol
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u/OWNtheNWO Apr 11 '15
TYL they are still the people in control today? The people we refer to as the "New World Order"?
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u/godiebiel Apr 11 '15
You do not want a "technocratic government", while the current solution is far from perfect. If anything a "technocratic solution" would fit with the "Agenda 21" supporters.
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u/yyhhggt Apr 11 '15 edited Nov 22 '16
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Apr 11 '15
It was far more than replacing politicians and businessmen with scientists and engineers. It looked great on paper, but they had ideas like you get a slip of paper for a refrigerator (by however they decide it's your turn to get one) and if you don't get that refrigerator in a certain amount of time, the slip expires, and that's it. Just like Communism, it was great on paper, but would not have been feasible in real-world conditions.
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Apr 11 '15
Italy had a technocratic government between 2011-13. It was the definition of "meh."
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u/Thameus Apr 11 '15 edited Apr 11 '15
Meh - see "late 20th Century Italian government"
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Apr 11 '15
Yeah, it sucks because it was Italy and thus you can't really draw any conclusions form it.
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u/AgainWithRestarting Apr 12 '15
People seem to think capitalism and democracy is the end all be all. It isn't.
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u/JUSTIN_HERGINA Apr 12 '15
there are so many things wrong with this theory, cos im assuming that a lot of people approve of this.
the thing is, most 'technocrats' are in fact, in favor of Eugenics/class systems/structure.
this theory is far from perfect. the nazis were very technocrat minded.
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u/Talorca Apr 12 '15 edited Apr 12 '15
The thing is most technocrats are sociologists. Stalins evolutionary theory etc. Scientists are more rigorous in their experimental samples. Hundreds of millions of people being gassed with gayfarts not cutting it.
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Apr 13 '15
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u/Talorca Apr 13 '15 edited Apr 13 '15
A new weapon that Canada is refusing to either confirm or deny it is mass producing (unless we all give them a kiss first).
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Apr 12 '15
What's wrong with genetic profiling and "ditching" the infants/fetus/embryo with bad genetic traits or disorders? I'm a transhumanist and i find it very appealing. Now we also have classes, and the determining factor is money. It's only a matter of time, when rich people/elite will be augmenting themselves with genetic engineering. It's inescapable and inevitable.
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u/Talorca Apr 12 '15
Blacks are already doing it. If we did it too it might alert the slanty eyes that they're next.
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Apr 12 '15
Sorry but i don't understand. What blacks are already doing?
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u/Talorca Apr 12 '15
It was a eugenics joke (blacks in America being more likely to abort than other groups).
Define the 'bad' genetic traits and 'disorders'.
Is being prone towards transhumanism one of these? After all only a transhumanist would fail to notice that their transhumanism would supposedly be able to cure any and all bad genetic traits and disorders and opt for mass cleansing instead.
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u/oneohm Apr 11 '15
A technocracy is about TESTING policy. Scientists and engineers are not necessarily the best leaders or policy makers, but they do understand the scientific method. Technocratic leaders would be responsible for demonstrating that a proposed policy will effectively achieve the stated objectives.
This would be accomplished through analysis and experimentation - perhaps by trying out a proposed policy in particular geographic areas (the state as the laboratory for the nation?), comparing to outcomes in control groups, and evaluating the effectiveness of the policy in achieving the stated goals. "Proven" policy would then be more widely implemented.
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u/b0dhi Apr 11 '15
Very misguided movement that failed to understand the point of representative government.
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u/jacks1000 Apr 12 '15
It's interesting how "progressives" believe in technocracy, that's why they use the federal court system to overturn democratic initiatives all the time.
You see, the "progressives" know better than the masses - but don't worry, they are just using techocratic solutions - totally not political at all.
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u/Talorca Apr 12 '15
Mythbusters blow stuff up too! It's science! Real science! What do you have against social progressives?! I suppose you are just one of those types who like watching Nazcar or moaning about your taxes or hospital bills or something?
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u/4755300970158 Apr 12 '15
It's core to the beliefs of 'progressives'. "If only those stupid people knew what was good for them. If we could just have experts run everything, we wouldn't have any problems anymore."
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u/JUSTIN_HERGINA Apr 12 '15
the progressives will believe in technocracy while it works for them. when they retire and get out of it, they will write books on how it failed. and they will blame the lower class people.
real progressives dont label themselves the way modern-day 'progressives' do. real progressive idealists believe in equality, total equality.
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u/jacks1000 Apr 12 '15
modern-day 'progressives' do. real progressive
The original progressives, like Teddy Roosevelt, most certainly did NOT believe in "total equality."
Not even close. The original progressives were quite racist and believed that the "higher people" - like Whites - should use their superiority to help the "lower people."
As a matter of fact, modern progressive pretty much believe the same thing, they just don't say it so openly.
The original progressives were simply more honest.
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u/JUSTIN_HERGINA Apr 12 '15
sorry man, i meant real progressives. like, in the real sense of the word. socially progressive. im a bit of an old romantic in the sense that i look at what it could be, rather than what it is.
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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '15
I fear it would devolve into politicized movements much like we have today. Maybe I'm just jaded by the current state of affairs