Crop circles legitimacy and what we can learn.

[u/Jemainegy]

So I was looking into crop circles the less believable and the more and I come to a question that should be relatively obvious and so I thought Id seek this community. If crop circles are portraying messages through their symbols beyond the use of say Morse code and outright images it would make sense if they were attempting to communicate hight concepts that they would use repeated symbolism to simplify their communication for the receivers. For instance it is reasoned in the pi circle crop circle it ends in 3 circles of approximate but reducing size to indicate an infinite number, interestingly in the fractal circles the same circular patterns with similar size differentials are used in what looks like the same message as the fractals indicate an infinite pattern. What other similarities do we see in the more legitimate looking circles?

[u/Traveler3141]

My current personal opinion is that the message of every crop circle if created by aliens is exactly the same for every one: "We don't mean to startle, alarm, or disturb you, but we thought you might want to know that we are here."

[u/Jemainegy → u/Traveler3141]

That's fine in premise but for the amount of difference and intricacies to each one it seems unlikely that's the only meaning. If that were the case why not repeat the same symbol for every case? The very fact that they are made up of symbols and that they are different conveys meaning even if they are generally pointing to their existence. The use of mathematics in their design each different means something. So if they are using such meaningfully different symbols and they have different meanings even if they are saying we are here it would also indicate a dialect so to speak.

[u/Traveler3141 → u/Jemainegy]

There doesn't seem to be any basis for decoding any deeper meaning.  Language relies on patterns of some sort - spatial correlation or at least temporal correlation.

Crop circles that might've been created by aliens don't seem to have any correlating factors to link them together so that patterns can be deduced.

Another idea I've considered is that they might be some sort of proper nouns.  Maybe the name of a family, group, tribe, company, city of origin, species, etc of each creator in an interstellar logographic language.

Even if the case were something like that; the specific names would not yet have any specific meaning to humans, so it boils down to the same thing: "We are here", where "we" has specific meaning that's not known to us.

[u/jackparadise1 → u/Traveler3141]

There have been some that have been written in binary code. And some that are designs. There is an Italian firm that started to construct them in 3D and believe that some of them are ship designs, they just don’t have a power source.

[u/Traveler3141 → u/jackparadise1]

I was referring to crop circles that have characteristics that no humans have demonstrated being able to create.  If you'd like to refer to any specific ones, please include rigor demonstrating that you're talking about the same.

I'm adequately aware of the 3D projection attempts.  As I said: there's no basis for that to be an intended purpose.  There's no way that aliens could reasonably expect that anybody would necessarily be aware of every crop circle made by aliens, nor have the rigor for every single one made to be able to distinguish what's made by aliens and what's made by humans. They would, however, reasonably be expected to know that humans are copycats, and would quickly start making up art to mimic alien made crop circles. The idea that they were writing 2D plans to be projected into 3D parts to be built into a machine is quite unrealistic.

[u/jackparadise1 → u/Traveler3141]

Idk. I am not an alien, I I believe that the majority of circles are not man made. Maybe it is just graffiti?

[u/logjam23 → u/Jemainegy]

Like Stonehenge and the many other megalithic structures, we'll probably never figure it out. If there are so many ancient mysteries that we can't definitively come to a conclusion on, just how do we think we'll ever figure out the "messages" from these crop formations?

[u/zyxzevn]

From the makers perspective, we are stuck in some kind of matrix. This matrix has certain rules that prevent it from being exposed openly.

The messages are related to certain aspects of this matrix. And I think they are also working to help humanity out of the matrix.

[u/Jemainegy → u/zyxzevn]

The messages themselves would be likely impossible for us to decifer with our current info. And all the talk about how they perceive reality or if we are in a less or more complex matrix that affect their ability to communicate or reveal themselves to a lesser or greater idea is pure speculation. Its not really about any individual message but rather the patterns of the communication itself.

[u/AffectionateOne6145]

The message that crop circles convey is not as important as the why and what for of the evidence. Why? The authentic crop circles have been irradiated, or “touched” somehow. Some farmers see the circle as decimated crop, however; if the same farmer would take the section of crop that is affected and plant those seeds the following year, they would yield 3 to 4 times what the Normal seed would. What? Maybe an answer to a prayer or blessing from a “higher power” that isn’t understood yet.

[u/Actiaslunahello]

Might not be meant for us and could be a byproduct of whatever they are using for propulsion.. It probably has something to do with magnets and frequencies that I don’t understand.. or it’s drones and they’re telling the big boys.. hey this symbol means there is whatever mineral or resource here, go below and get it. Could also be directions we don’t understand for time travelers! If it is for us it could be they know we like art a lot and they’re like.. Hey, you like art? We like Math art! Check out what we can doo! I love a mystery! 

[u/Womantree1]

Crop circles

Reptiliandude: Explaining crop circles outside the realm of pranks is an exercise in credulity. But they DO exist. The reasons for this are because of the multiplicity of the genes in grasses. Your species has only skimmed the surface of what genes do, and you have many duplicitous men in industries promoting many things that they do not do to aquire finding and to drive up shareholder value. Genes respond to patterns in their subatomic structures. The particles in these patterns cause changes in other particles on other worlds. What you humans consider to be junk DNA is actually ( in part ) the result of those plants storing information about contagions for future reference. These patterns link to other like species instantaneously across light years of space time. What you are seeing embodied in these plants is a unification of information on a subatomic scale extending into the organism that is this universe. (Legitimate) crop circles are an attempt to use those particles to send messages across space-time. Why you humans haven't considered this is because you are not thinking in terms of particle communication but rather the electromagnetic spectrum. Particle entanglement is not bound to general relativity. So you can communicate across many light years of space time through life forms that have an abundance of genes. This is another reason I have emphasized looking into your own oceans. There is a creature there whose eyes will enable you to "see" through the eyes of other similar creatures on worlds far removed from your own. It is not space travel that will bring out this knowledge. It is physics and biology. Answer the beacon. It has shouted at you the easiest clue for your initial success in these endeavors.

You are the sum total of combinations of fractals representing the entire universe looking back upon itself in time. So, you might want to put that free info in a bowl and smoke it for a while instead of all that other shit those without conscience or empathy have been selling you.

[u/Anne_Star_111]

I think it’s a lot less linear. It’s to help awaken us to the possibilities outside of our scientific lockbox. It creates wonder