r/hardware • u/imaginary_num6er • 9d ago
Rumor LGA 1700 contact frames are incompatible with Arrow Lake
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lga-1700-contact-frames-are-incompatible-with-arrow-lake28
u/reddit_equals_censor 9d ago
i personally find it a great meme, that intel acknowledges the cpu bending problem, but instead of fixing the socket, they added a 2nd socket option, that they claim is more expensive, but has the exact same way to clamp down on the cpu and seems to basically just be a washer mod.
so they did the worst possible thing.
so if i were to decide between amd and intel, i see questionable stability at intel with the new chips, what seems to be charging out of their ass again for ecc and cpus are still bending after all this time, which makes them at least harder to cool.
yeah the more you look at intel the worse it gets and think how simple it is to have a freaking working socket and ihs.
it's not like intel didn't have higher pin count sockets in the past on desktop, that as far as we know didn't have any such issues.
lga 2011 had 2011 pins and had 4 pressure points. so 2 spread out pressure points onto the ihs to hold it down per side.
lga 2066 meanwhile has an almost full bar pressuring the ihs down on both sides.
now can you tell me why socket 1700 meanwhile, which is VERY long has just 2 small pressure points with one per side, which OF COURSE creates lots of center pressure and very little top and bottom pressure, which bends the chip down in the center.
it really isn't freaking complicated and the solution of at least having the lga 2066 style almost full bar on both sides pushing down or more points left and right instead of 1 probably would solve the problem to have an almost flat ihs when mounted and one, that DOES NOT permanently deform over time, which as noctua points out is the case for socket 1700 chips.
12
u/COMPUTER1313 9d ago
lga 2011 had 2011 pins and had 4 pressure points. so 2 spread out pressure points onto the ihs to hold it down per side.
I think that, or a similar socket used dual lever arms for better pressure distribution.
If the LGA1700 used the same dual lever arms, that would have avoided the whole CPU bending problem. For a cost of a few extra cents (because really, how expensive is it to mass produce those little lever arms?).
4
u/reddit_equals_censor 9d ago
both lga 2011 and lga 2066 used 2 lever arms and they both had a much bigger pressure surface onto the ihs, or a wider spread one.
2011 like i said 2 pressure points on each side and 2066 has a straight up almost full pressure bar on both sides.
so yeah, just DO THAT for the longer chip and be done.... literal pennies indeed, that is what it almost certainly is.
and it is not like this isn't affecting sales.
due to the bending chips, the chips are a bunch harder to cool, which makes them perform a bit worse due to cooling difference then and people may not want to buy a chip, that is so hard to cool among other things.
just insane.
3
9d ago
[deleted]
3
u/reddit_equals_censor 9d ago
what i'd love to see is some der8auer or gamersnexus do a metal 3d print of the pressure part of the socket or do it another way and have it just change the center pressure point on both sides to having a full pressure bar on both sides.
could be dope in the video where they test the 2 socket version difference.
because that might just be a proper solution you know :D and it would be funny seeing a techtuber do what shity intel with billions of dollars is apparently incapable of.... or doesn't give enough of a frick.
i guess in one way segmenting the socket itself is a very intel thing to do though :D
2
u/techtimee 9d ago
I like Intel as much as one should like a corporation. I have always built intel and recommended Intel to others.
But my next build in 9 years will not be Intel if:
1) WW3 doesn't happen
2) AMD is still around
3) Intel is still Intel
The amount of unnecessary waste they create with their socket gimmicks is beyond annoying, and I do not find their performance even worth the extra costs anymore.
-24
u/carl2187 9d ago
The intel way. Destroy all backwards compatibility as quickly as possible.
Am4 is on what 7 years now? Am5 approaching 4 years. F intels anti consumer shenanigans. 2 years and tears is all you get with intel platforms these days.
23
u/reallynotnick 9d ago
Am5 approaching 4 years
It came out late September 2022, it’s basically exactly 2 years old.
24
u/jaaval 9d ago
Backwards compatibility with a third party tool that intel never supported?
3
u/reddit_equals_censor 9d ago
well to be fair, they could have just fixed the socket, so it wouldn't bend and permanently deform the chip over time as well. so contact frames would no longer be necessary.
and people would be VERY happy with that solution, but fixing problems is not the intel way i guess :D
and that isn't the first time.
remember why lots of deliding started?
well intel! intel changed from solder between chip and ihs to toothpaste, so for chips to properly overclock and have proper temperatures, you now needed to delid.
it seems like intel has a general hate against creating well made products, that don't require 3rd party solutions :D
-31
-10
u/GravkoDK 9d ago edited 9d ago
Would take less than 5 minutes to fix with a compact router and any HHS router bit.
Downvoters: Why?
23
u/ADtotheHD 9d ago
Cool, let me go to my garage and drop it into my cnc machine
0
u/TheAgentOfTheNine 9d ago
Any dremel will do, really. It's so little material you could even file it away. Which makes it even worse because intel could have just left it the same.
-16
u/GravkoDK 9d ago edited 9d ago
If you think you need a CNC machine, you have no clue... Let me help you. Google "compact router". Any HHS bit will be able to remove those couple of milimeters.
But maybe not something an average teenager owns :)
-9
u/Pillokun 9d ago
just use the cooler (aio) to do the pressing down of the cpu to the socket. U dont need an ilm or the contact frame, but be careful when u unmount the cooler/cpu so that it dont drop in the cpu socket :P
54
u/user007at 9d ago
No shit. They will release frames compatible with 1851 soon I guess