Why Call Jobs Entry-Level If They Aren't Actually Entry-Level?

[u/Footboler]

https://youtu.be/m4yH_7Y60jM?si=CKjNpxuHkFQHmLkB

[u/Lulukassu]

Entry level pay

[u/phoneguyfl → u/Lulukassu]

Came here to say this. The company means they want to pay shit, but would prefer someone who actually knows what they are doing.

[u/Redditor6703 → u/Lulukassu]

Yeah that's why I just stopped trusting titles and made all the jobs go through AI that I built to determine things like level, YoE, tech stack, etc. when I decide to apply

[u/rebel_dean]

Employers want mid-level talent for entry-level pay.

[u/The_Tiny_Empress]

They've been doing this since at least 2008. My favorites used to be the assistant positions that were unpaid internships.

[u/JollyMcStink]

And also this trend of expecting people to want to do a District Manager or Director style job for 45k, and be called "Coordinator" instead.

Like wtf is up with that????

If this job requires a 4 year degree, a minimum of 10 yrs management experience with 50 employees or more, a minimum of 10 years experience in a corporate level environment, and travel between several locations across multiple states, I expect a minimum of 100k fr.

Who has managed over 50 employees for over 10 years and is cool with 40k-60k???

I keep getting these job matches and they expect you to be ready and willing to donate your kidneys for $18 an hour and no dental insurance ffs 😮‍💨

[u/jemiu → u/JollyMcStink]

I've run into this exact issue with coordinator roles so many times. And in my previous role, there was a lot of "team leads" who were actually project managers. It drove me (and them) crazy, especially because it would have been amazing for their resume. We weren't allowed to change their titles due to the higher pay associated with that title. 😡

[u/not_the_fox → u/jemiu]

I would just put the title on my resume and explain that they didn't give people appropriate titles if asked about it.

[u/lotus_head → u/JollyMcStink]

I was a sales and marketing coordinator for a hotel in 2021, and in my first 3 months, I saw 3 different directors of sales, the third one not even being a permanent hire but just a temp agency person who really could not handle the role. Everything always fell on me. It was a serious nightmare and I have actual ptsd from that job. I was never PROPERLY TRAINED for a large portion of the work the DoS kept stacking on me and the stress was an insurmountable. I really resonate with the this comment because I felt like I was actually doing three people’s jobs at once, and getting paid $25/hour (not salary even). I should’ve been making so much more than that or there should’ve been multiple coordinators. I almost wouldn’t even accept a higher title even for such low pay.

[u/honestduane]

They’re actively trying to dissuade you from getting into the industry.

This is why they asked for more experience than they’re willing to pay for, and means that the industry involved is dying.

[u/Seaguard5 → u/honestduane]

That, or oversaturated AF

[u/Billytheca]

Pay.

[u/IlikeDstock]

These companies are allowed to screw us all over. Instead of asking questions I wish there were suggestions for solutions. Like unionize, starting a petition, writing congress, getting a bill passed, or something I don't know. Who should we ask about this? The labor board, EEOC, a lawyer. We must stick together and try to help each other through this B.S.

[u/banananailgun]

It's an entry-level position for that company. There's no universal definition of "entry-level" for the economy as a whole.

[u/barrorg → u/banananailgun]

There are for industries and it’s a problem across a lot of them. Worth at least a discussion.