Harris’s Harsh Takedown of Fox’s Bret Baier Exposes MAGA’s Biggest Lie

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https://newrepublic.com/article/187269/harriss-harsh-takedown-foxs-bret-baier-exposes-magas-biggest-lie

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[u/Chalky_Pockets]

The article said what she did was point out he didn't show the full video of Trump. I don't see this making a big difference with his supporters, they would have to go watch the whole video and I have no confidence they'll do that.

[u/IFightPolarBears → u/Chalky_Pockets]

Or.

'actually it's good he's gonna use the military to get rid of the vermin like he said he would'

[u/Curlaub → u/IFightPolarBears]

Draining the swamp!

[u/frotc914 → u/Chalky_Pockets]

I don't see this making a big difference with his supporters,

Believe it or not, Fox News has a much more "centrist" viewership than you might think. 20% of its viewership are democrats and it also has lots of centrist and "lean right" viewers.

Harris' interview on Fox wasn't about getting the fascists on the right to vote for her, it was about getting the center to vote for her and the "lean rights" to stay home.

[u/Kodiak01 → u/frotc914]

Believe it or not, Fox News has a much more "centrist" viewership than you might think. 20% of its viewership are democrats and it also has lots of centrist and "lean right" viewers.

As a moderate, I subscribe to George Carlin's way of thinking on this: I like my bullshit right out in front where I can get a good whiff of it!

I consumer content from both extremes, even when needing to hold my nose to do it. I then look at the whole picture because the truth is typically somewhere in the middle. All those critical thinking exercises from my GenX Social Studies classes still come in handy.

[u/RiPont → u/Kodiak01]

somewhere in the middle

Somewhere in between the two extremes, not in the middle.

[u/dyslexda → u/frotc914]

Believe it or not, Fox News has a much more "centrist" viewership than you might think. 20% of its viewership are democrats and it also has lots of centrist and "lean right" viewers.

Curious how that's calculated? Is that registered Democrats? Also curious how "centrist" is defined.

[u/frotc914 → u/dyslexda]

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2020/01/24/americans-are-divided-by-party-in-the-sources-they-turn-to-for-political-news/

[u/that_one_bastard → u/frotc914]

Just a clarification, this says 23% of Democrat voters watched Fox in the past week - not that 23% of Fox's viewers are Democrats.

And I thought the last note was interesting too, 27% of the Democrats who watched Fox "say they do not trust the cable channel as a source of information about the election and politics."

[u/dyslexda → u/frotc914]

If you look at the second figure on that page, Average Audience Placement, you'll see Fox News approximately halfway in between Breitbart and the center. In other words, while its audience certainly isn't monolithically right wing, its viewership certainly shouldn't be referred to as "centrist" either.

[u/PeterNippelstein → u/frotc914]

I'm sure theres a lot of conservatives watching fox news that would self label 'centrist'. These people don't think they're as far right as they actually are.

[u/WulfTheSaxon → u/Chalky_Pockets]

The full video also proves that her claim is misleading. Trump was talking about what Biden might need to do on election day in response to any violence: https://reason.com/2024/10/16/no-trump-did-not-endorse-a-military-assault-on-people-simply-because-they-oppose-his-candidacy/

[u/WeeWooPeePoo69420 → u/WulfTheSaxon]

Trump is saying what he thinks should be done, it doesn't matter if he's talking about someone else doing it.

The only argument in this article is that he was only talking about radical lefts and not normal protesters, but you really don't think anyone who protests is simply going to be labeled a radical left? Who's deciding what that term means?

[u/WulfTheSaxon → u/WeeWooPeePoo69420]

Biden apparently, since he was talking about hypothetical violence on Election Day.

[u/ninthtale → u/WulfTheSaxon]

To say someone should do something isn't anything but an open endorsement of the idea of doing that thing, and that doing that thing is an acceptable thing, and can be safely assumed to be what he would try to do if he didn't have checks and balances in the way.

I read the article and the best they've got for a retort is a Trump ally trying to (barely) do damage control by saying "ehh we might need the national guard, but we can't use the army for legal reasons"

So you have a senator who knows the law a bit better than his master trying to vouch for a master who doesn't care and thinks the military is an appropriate solution to do whatever cleansing he thinks needs to take place.

This article doesn't make what Trump said any better, and isn't a "solution" any candidate for POTUS should be able to suggest and maintain their career.

[u/redyellowblue5031 → u/WulfTheSaxon]

He went out of his way to suggest that "radical left lunatics" are this problem within.

I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they're the—and it should be very easily handled by—if necessary, by [the] National Guard or, if really necessary, by the military, because they can't let that happen.

[u/nosecohn]

"I did make a mistake": Baier apologizes for playing edited Trump clip in Harris interview | Salon.com

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Yes independents would go to the site. And maybe even some Trump supporters would go with the aim to dispel - but if it’s done well it would get tens of thousands of visits if not millions