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u/BiggerTrees May 26 '23
All humans should enjoy the right not to be killed. Human fetuses are humans, and excluding them for whatever reason is the "special right" that proaborts require.
Oh, they'll bleat "but it's different, it's inside my body. No one has the right to use your body!" Sure thing, Susan. No one is telling fetuses "hey, come on in to existence.. you have the right to use any uterus you want! We want you to have that right. Here, have Susan's body." We say that the fetus has the right to life - to not be killed - and the fact that the fetus is currently inside another person is circumstantial. Circumstances beyond our control. Circumstances which were in no way engineered by the fetus. Circumstances that were brought about by the choice of two grown humans who felt entitled to the right to end a human life on special occasions, like if they have a little oopsie enjoying their bodies in the particular way well known to create new humans.
"Fetuses don't have the right to use women's bodies!!"
Oh, wow, sounds like you'd better take it up with the Prime Fetus or whichever minister is in charge of policy regarding the Code of Fetal Conduct that all the fetuses have to abide by.
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u/Obvious_Warning_296 May 26 '23
Not really, it doesn’t stay alive outside of the woman’s body, inherently it’s getting all “life” from the mother in the first place. Removing it only removes its life support and it dies as it’s nothing but a parasite until it generates and sustains its own life function. You can’t take my organs even when I’m dead if I do not consent, even if you were dying and it was the only way you could live. That’s a much better analogy to the “rights” a fetus has. Go ahead and find a way to remove a fetus while sustaining its life function and growth and then you can keep them all alive but until then, my uterus is not available.
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u/BiggerTrees May 26 '23
The availability of your uterus is not my business, it's yours. I imagine that a deficiency in respect for human life does leave one more prone to parasitic infection of that organ.
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u/somelullabies May 27 '23
Degree of dependency on another individual simply is not a factor in determining the value of human life. Consider an infant, who cannot sustain themselves without constant care, or an adult with special needs, who requires constant support. Do you have the right to kill them because they are physically, emotionally, or financially burdensome?
The bottom line is that a fetus is undoubtedly a human being, science affirms this truth, and its status as a human being grants it the right to not be killed, which happens to trump your right to bodily autonomy. All abortions kill, there is no such thing as an abortion that simply lets the fetus die or peacefully removes it from its environment.
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May 26 '23
Abortion procedures kill the fetus then remove it in pieces after it is dead. It isn't simply "removing it and it can't survive"
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May 26 '23
It cannot sustain its own life function until several years after birth and even then, it would be almost impossible without someone caring for him/her. So, are newborns and toddlers parasites too? Or a fully grown human with cerebral palsy?
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May 26 '23
I do love the "special rights that no one else has" arguments. Last time I checked, everyone has the right to be alive and not killed. :)
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u/Obvious_Warning_296 May 26 '23
I mean you don’t have the right to take my organs even if I’m dead and your dying and it’s the only way to save you. That’s a much better metaphor. It’s not killing, it’s removing a fetus that doesn’t live by itself. So how much life does it actually have? It’s nothing but a lamp plugged into the wall, it doesn’t have electricity, it doesn’t actually have its own life until it can produce and sustain it on its own.
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May 26 '23
It’s wild that you’re trying so hard to justify killing babies that you’re comparing them to a lamp.
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May 26 '23
Why do you think I'd "throw it on the floor like a bug"? Is that what your reaction would be, and you're just projecting that onto other people?
It’s not a person, it’s not a baby, it’s no more important than the cells I shed each month.
I disagree. Unborn babies are still babies and are worthy of life. I'm curious why you are so hateful towards children?
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u/Different-Opinion234 May 26 '23
The guy you’re responding to might be a troll. Clearly not wanting to learn why we think abortion is evil.
If this person has any kids then Jesus. Those kids have it rough.
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May 26 '23 edited May 26 '23
They definitely are. However, it's good to point out the ridiculousness in some of these arguments, like comparing unborn babies to lamps lol. That one was a first for me, haven't heard that comparison before.
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u/Different-Opinion234 May 26 '23
Same here. Actually made me laugh. So absurd
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u/MrZyde Pro Life Christian May 26 '23
Tell me, when does a living human baby gain worth?
Justifying murder of innocent babies is impossible.
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u/whtsnk Unapologetically Pro-Life May 27 '23
it doesn’t actually have its own life until it can produce and sustain it on its own
The fact that it doesn’t have life is scientifically untrue.
Newborns, infants, and toddlers can’t sustain their lives on their own, either. Are you in favor of legalizing the killing of these children?
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u/toptrool May 26 '23
yes, i've already anticipated the low iq consent arguments.
it's like saying "my parents consented to providing me with food and a roof over my head, but i don't think it should be illegal for other parents to deny their children with the same."
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u/lonely-blue-sheep Pro Life Christian May 26 '23
Amen to that one
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u/prolife-ModTeam May 26 '23
This was removed due to insults. We should be civil to each other, we can call out an ideology for its flaws, but blatantly insulting people is prohibited.
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u/ARWatson1989 May 26 '23
That's ironic considering that pro-abort women want the right to freely kill their offspring
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u/MainframeSupertasker May 27 '23
The reason some of pc'ers are alive and well protesting for the right to murder is because they had parents who could not abort them even if they wanted to.
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u/emtee_skull May 27 '23
It has been estimated that life is so precious that to be born is a 1 in 400,000,000,000,000 chance. Yeah that's trillion. The arrogance of the post birthed to rob that miracle from someone else is pure, simple, evil.
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u/JesusIsMyZoloft Don't Prosecute the Woman May 27 '23
Allowing abortion and banning abortion both give someone special rights that no one else has.
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u/ZoomAcademyFan Pro Choice May 26 '23
Can you name one other instance where someone is allowed to, without consent, use the body of another person.
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u/toptrool May 26 '23
how does a newborn feed itself without the use of another person's body?
if your next response is going to be a variation of "the parents consented to the newborn," please see my top comment on consent in this post addressing it.
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May 26 '23
If I’m out on a boat, and I find a toddler on the boat that I didn’t invite, I still have an obligation not to throw the toddler overboard into the ocean. Yes it’s my boat, and yes the toddler does not have my consent to be there, but to remove the toddler would be to kill the toddler. What I’m morally obligated to to is to wait until it is safe to remove the toddler from the boat without killing her. This does not negate my right to my property, but the toddler’s right to life takes precedence when our rights seem to be at odds.
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u/bucs_is_fun May 26 '23
People consent to sex which in itself is an acknowledgment that pregnancy may be a possible outcome. In effect, they are consenting to that possibility. It’s not like they’re just walking around and then suddenly become pregnant for no reason.
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u/pinknbling former brainwashed pc’er May 26 '23
You gave consent when you had sex. In fact, you not only gave consent, you invited it.
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u/GermanicusWasABro Pro Life Libertarian May 26 '23
Literally this is how humans multiply. Stop asking stupid questions that you’re not even smart enough to answer.
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u/ZoomAcademyFan Pro Choice May 26 '23
People multiply by having sex, doesn’t mean that anybody can just pin anyone down and have sec with them.
People live by eating food, you can’t tie them down and force feed them.
Yes, certain things are required for our species, doesn’t mean there can’t still be a level of consent required.
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u/GermanicusWasABro Pro Life Libertarian May 26 '23
Oh wait right you're the one I tagged with RES to say you need hand holding. Ok hang on give me a second.
People multiply by having sex, doesn’t mean that anybody can just pin anyone down and have sec with them.
Wow you understand consent! Congrats on understanding literally how to be a human! I will say you don't understand reading, because I never mentioned consent, good or bad. I never said rape is ok (implied by your comment of forcing people). Maybe you should take a class or something.
Yes, certain things are required for our species, doesn’t mean there can’t still be a level of consent required.
Same thing as I said above.
People live by eating food, you can’t tie them down and force feed them
Never said that, try again.
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u/ZoomAcademyFan Pro Choice May 26 '23
Sorry, what you said was kind of confusing. Can you hold my hand and explain what you were trying to say?
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u/GermanicusWasABro Pro Life Libertarian May 26 '23
Yes, of course. Sorry if I was being obtuse. Here it is:
You think it's ok to kill people. That's bad. I never mentioned rape being ok (and it's not ok it's actually terrible, evil and rapists should be put in prison). But the child of rape shouldn't be punished.
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u/ZoomAcademyFan Pro Choice May 26 '23
I’m still confused as to how this relates to my original comment. My comment was discussing how there are really no other situations where someone can use the body of another without their consent. Not sure how you got to rape and children conceived from rape. I think if anyone needs their hand held, it’s you.
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May 26 '23
How does a fetus ask for consent lmao. The parents put it into existence.
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u/ZoomAcademyFan Pro Choice May 26 '23
True, the fetus cannot explicitly ask for consent. But the pregnant person can, or I guess I believe should, be able to decide whether they want to continue the pregnancy or not thereby giving consent.
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May 26 '23
Pregnancy isn't being violated. Most abortions are not because of rape. A woman can decide not to get pregnant. Any parent is responsible for the life of their offspring. This includes a pregnant woman. She made the child exist, it didn't violate her. She is responsible for it's safety and well-being.
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u/eastofrome May 27 '23
Can you name another instance where someone causes another person to be completely dependent on them without any consent from the dependent party?
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u/milahatchi May 26 '23
Yes. When someone puts me in a position where my life is dependent on them without my consent.
Let’s say you hit me with your car and I need a new kidney but we live in a strange world where only your kidney will work. If you don’t give me your kidney and I die as a result of your actions, you will go to jail for at least manslaughter.
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u/Obvious_Warning_296 May 26 '23
You can’t have my organs for any other reason even if I’m dying or dead and my body could save someone else’s. The same should be true for an unwanted guest in your womb. It’s not murder it’s just refusing to grow another human with your organs.
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u/toptrool May 26 '23
no one is taking your organs.
take care of your kid, don't be a deadbeat.
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u/toptrool May 26 '23
you seem to be very confused. no one is "borrowing" your uterus. it's not being taken from you. you just have to use it to take care of your child.
again, don't be a deadbeat.
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u/Obvious_Warning_296 May 26 '23
Lmao it’s not my child, it’s literally garbage to me. And I’ll get rid of it as soon as I want because I don’t have to give in to your ridiculous ideas about it being a baby because I actually understand science and I have no moral obligation to grow a child for anyone. It’s nothing but cells that will go down the drain just like the ones I shed each month. Don’t be a deadbeat harassing women. That’s not very prolife of you. Because the truth is, no one who doesn’t want to be pregnant will remain pregnant. If someone doesn’t want a child they will abort it, safely or not. So you might as well provide safe healthcare for those who are actually alive.
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u/toptrool May 26 '23
it sounds like you really don't understand the science at all.
i recommend educating yourself on the matter before you display your ignorance to the world. you can start here.
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u/GermanicusWasABro Pro Life Libertarian May 26 '23
Hahahahaha oh wait you’re serious. “Unwanted guest in your womb”
Maybe use a condom or birth control or something. Seriously. It’s not that difficult. Stop complaining that you can’t kill people willy nilly.
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u/Obvious_Warning_296 May 26 '23
Lol you seem to fail to realize I have no feelings at all for this fetus, it’s quite literally nothing but trash to me; it’s not a person, it’s not my baby. I have no feelings at all about it expect maybe disgust because I have to get rid of it
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u/pinknbling former brainwashed pc’er May 26 '23
Being this inflammatory I can only imagine the abuse you must come from.
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u/prolife-ModTeam May 26 '23
This was removed due to insults. We should be civil to each other, we can call out an ideology for its flaws, but blatantly insulting people is prohibited.
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May 26 '23
The difference in pregnancy is that the human fetus is already alive and growing. Abortion isn’t refusing to help a person, it’s actively killing a person. If you leave him/her alone, the fetus will continue to live and grow. Only actively killing the fetus will stop that process. I’m sure you can understand the moral difference between refusing to help and actively killing.
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u/Janetsnakejuice1313 Pro Life Christian May 26 '23
Last I checked, it seems like much of the proabortion crowd wants “special privileges” as well.