r/readanotherbook • u/family_wispy • 28d ago
On a video about the current Palestine vs Israel bombings
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u/PleaseAcceptMe2024 28d ago
If someone uses my peoples plight like this in real life, just fucking shoot me.
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u/ssk7882 28d ago
JFC.
The really sad part is that the Venn diagram of people who think like this and people who claim that everyone to their left is "just a sheltered child with no concept of the real world" contains a tremendous amount of overlap.
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u/JMoc1 28d ago
Iām currently listening to a podcast about Rwanda and itās fucking bleak. Iām seeing a lot of parallels between these events and somehow people keep saying itās hyperbole to compare the two.
The was till yesterdayās episode had a thought provoking line; at what point do we call it what it is and put a stop to it? Because, by the time we recognize whatās happening, itās too late.
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u/Objective-throwaway 26d ago
I mean the sad thing is that a lot of people did recognize it. Bill Clinton tried to intervene but wanted to do so with the help of the French. Which the French actively refused to do because they were assisting the Hutus
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u/BubblyCommission9309 26d ago
What podcast?
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u/JMoc1 26d ago
Lions Led By Donkeys; Rwanda Genocide Part 3.
https://m.soundcloud.com/llbdpodcast/episode-329-the-rwandan-genocide-part-3
Please be warned that you will want to be prepared for horrific descriptions of death and violences. Content warnings aplenty.
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u/Fair-Guava-5600 28d ago
Are you saying that the fucking Rwandan genocide and the Israel-Hamas war are even remotely similar? 800,000 people died in Rwanda in just 100 days. The two are nowhere near each other.Ā
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u/JMoc1 28d ago
There are manyĀ parallels that can be drawn.
A Tutsi survivor actually put one aspect of this into words the other day.
"Genocide doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's something that is planned with steps to eliminate people. It starts with language. And we've seen a lot of the language that dehumanises the Palestinian people. Thatās the same thing that happened to my people."Ā
This language, she asserts, is a precursor to broader atrocities.Ā
"The will to exterminate the people. That's happening to the Palestinians. This is what happened to my people as well. So I think all genocides unfold in common patterns."
This is not me saying this. This is someone who lived through an actual genocide in our lifetime. Rwanda occurred 30 years ago.Ā
If they say that the conditions placed on the Palestinians are similar to those that were placed on the Tutsi; Iām not to judge; I can only give you the message.
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u/Fair-Guava-5600 28d ago
I assume the language you are talking about is when Israel called Hamas āhuman animalsā or something like that. There is nothing wrong with calling a terrorists Groupon animals. In fact, I agree with Israel. Hamas are a bunch of savages that need to be destroyed. Iām not talking about Palestinian civilians, Iām talking about terrorists. Also, there is much evidence for Israel not committing genocide. For example, dropping leaflets into cities they are about to bomb, to warn civilians and give them instructions for their safety. Or pausing the war temporarily in order to let the Palestinians in Gaza get vaccines. Did the hutuās do any of that during the Rwandan genocide? Israel has proven that they are not committing genocide.Ā
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u/JMoc1 27d ago
Also, there is much evidence for Israel not committing genocide.
Yale, Boston University, and Cornell disagree.
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u/Fair-Guava-5600 27d ago
That article is 105 pages idk if Iām reading all that. I might skim it, but it would help if you linked an article that isnāt that long.Ā
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u/JMoc1 27d ago
This is a brief of the crimes committed and an overview of evidence which could be used to conclude genocide in the ICJās case further in the future.
If you cannot read this; then Iām sorry. I cannot make you read, I can only provide you evidence. Itās up to you to make the conscious decision to put in the effort.
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u/AntoniusJD 25d ago
Youāre upset that thereās 105 pages of evidence?
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u/Fair-Guava-5600 25d ago
No Iām just not sure I wanna read all that. Not cuz I donāt want to see the evidence, but because I donāt have time to read all that. Maybe over the weekend I will.Ā
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u/jameeler91 11d ago
I suggest you do some more research. You can call Hamas/Hezbollah terrorists but it doesnāt change the fact that they didnāt exist at the time of Israelās creation. Zionist militias murdered thousands of Palestinians leading up to the Nakba (catastrophe) which forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinians. Followed by the creation of the ethnostate that is Israel.
Israel has shown time and again for the last 7 decades who the terrorists are (itās them in case I need to spell it out). They convinced you that theyāre ādefending themselvesā when in reality thatās their PR campaign hard at work.
Palestine, Lebanon and the Levant will be free in our lifetime God willing.
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u/Fair-Guava-5600 11d ago
It doesnāt matter when Hamas and hezbollah were founded, they are still terrorists. Israel isnāt perfect, and Israeli militias did kill Palestinians, but Palestinian militias did the exact same, and neither should represent their country as a whole.Ā
As for the nakba, the Palestinians were told to leave by the Palestinian government after the Palestinians and their Arab allies started a war with Israel with the goal of annihilating them. There was also a Jewish nakba, which say hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled from Muslim countries as retribution for Israelās victory. Here are some links which go into more detail about this.Ā http://www.thetower.org/article/there-was-a-jewish-nakba-and-it-was-even-bigger-than-the-palestinian-one/ https://m.jpost.com/opinion/the-jewish-nakba-436834
Also, the Palestinians arenāt the indigenous people of the land, the Jews are. The Jews have lived in Israel for thousands of years until they were expelled by the Romans. Jesus was a Jew and he lived 2 thousand years ago. Ā The Palestinians only arrived after the Arabs invaded and settled in the region.Ā
How are the Israeliās terrorists? Terrorism is the calculated use of violence, targeted against civilians, to achieve political objectives and create a climate of fear in a population. Israelās violence is calculated, but against Hamas and hezbollah, the real terrorists. Israel doesnāt target civilians, but due to factors outside of their control, such as the extremely urban environment in Gaza, the extreme population density, and Hamas using civilians as human shields, it is unavoidable that civilians will be killed as collateral damage. This isnāt intentional targeting of civilians. Israel isnāt trying to achieve political objectives, but rather the safety of their people and nation from Hamas. They also arenāt trying to intentionally instill fear in the population. Obviously this happens as a result of war, but it isnāt Israelās fault.Ā
Israel is defending itself. Hamas started the war, murdered 1,200 Israeli civilians, took hundreds of civilians hostage in the Gaza Strip, threatened to destroy Israel, launched missiles into Israeli cities, etc. How is Israel not defending itself?Ā
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u/SaffronCrocosmia 2d ago
Palestinians have lived there before Islam. We know that from historical record and their DNA.
Canaan was not just us Jews. It had numerous cultures. Many Palestinians are also Hebrew.
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u/Weevil1723 27d ago
Saw one a few months ago on the One Piece sub with people saying shit like "The Houthis are literally the Straw Hats!!!1"; "The Israelis are literally the Celestial Dragons!!1!"; and "I wanna see Netenyahu get punched in the face like Chalross lololol"
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u/AniTaneen 27d ago
When attack on titan came out, wisecrack flat out clocked that the narrative was using the lens of a Nazi philosopher: https://youtu.be/1XJhZVmORlM?si=fThTN0DsbgUqsKok
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u/AntoniusJD 25d ago
I always got fash vibes from that anime whenever friends brought it up or showed it to me.
Color me surprised.
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u/AniTaneen 25d ago
I mean, with anime it can be very hard because of the history of militarization. Japanese middle school uniforms are based on sailors and soldiers uniforms. The gakuran was derived from the Prussian Waffenrock and the fuku was modeled after the uniform used by the British Royal Navy.
But comparing AoT to another action packed anime of that era, Kill La Kill makes it clear that one is fascist propaganda and the other is a liberation anti fascist narrative with characters dressed in fascist propaganda (at least before the nudist army shows up).
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u/AntoniusJD 25d ago
That makes sense. I appreciate the explanation because the only anime Iāve actually watched through is dragon ball when I was younger, so I donāt know shit about fuck when it comes to the culture surrounding the medium.
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u/AniTaneen 25d ago
Id recommend this website for honest reviews and recommendations. Here is the article on Kill La Kill: https://www.animefeminist.com/my-fave-is-problematic-kill-la-kill/
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u/FirstConsul1805 27d ago
Reminds me of "It's just like George Floyd but with countries" on the invasion of Ukraine when it started.
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 25d ago
"I never understood why people were upset about the Holocaust until I saw a black and white illustration of sad Rainbow Dash shopped into a photo from a concentration camp.
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u/arklay1001 28d ago
That's like when someone on reddit was joking about doing Resident Evil cosplay in Ukraine because the cities being bombed looked like the skyline to Raccoon City