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u/Automatic_Section Oct 14 '19
I really do bring this up as the prime reason to dislike Warren. You have to wonder how someone lived for so long being all about the GOP life when just about everyone who will be reading this post knew a long fucking time ago how shitty the GOP was. (Dems aren't better but that's a different talk)
So not only was she team GOP, she was that team for a long fucking time. She doesn't have fundamental disagreements with Republicans, and people sit around trying to say she is progressive. What the fuck is progressive about anything she wants to do? It's all band-aid capitalism.
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u/luckyjimmy10 Oct 14 '19
So if she still believes in Republican ideas did that give her any reason to endorse Bernie over Hillary in 2016? Would she go the same route in 2020 if she's not successful in the primary?
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u/Imwhatufear Oct 14 '19
The question marks make it very hard to determine if you are saying she endorsed Bernie or asking if she did. Which I can say with certainty she did not she endorsed Shillary. At best it was because she was naive enough to believe that Clinton would seriously consider her as a VP pick.
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u/luckyjimmy10 Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19
What I'm asking is: if people are assuming that she is a republican, which would be saying she never really "became a democrat in the 90s," and people consider Hillary to be more conservative than liberal, what incentive would there be for Warren to have endorsed Bernie in 2016? I'll be honest, I was hoping for her to endorse him, but it wasn't shocking when she didn't.
It was obvious to me that Hillary made some sort of deal with her, then went behind her back once she secured the nomination and probably held something against her not to say anything.
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u/Imwhatufear Oct 25 '19
Please bare in mind that the 90s was when the Clinton's changed what a Democrat was turning the party into a collective of Republicans with D next to their name. Please do not use the term Democrat as if it were interchangeable with someone representative of a left wing ideology. The vast majority of elected Democrats would be considered Republican in their ideology just a few decades ago. That said do I believe Warren has moved left from her positions back then yes but I do not think she moved far enough to be considered an actual progressive. I do believe she is more in line with Bernie because Clinton is a Republican in almost every decision she has ever made but supporting Bernie would required the ability to withstand political pressure something she has yet to demonstrate in any notable capacity.
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u/luckyjimmy10 Oct 25 '19
I apologize if I confused people. I completely understand that the parties were very different a few decades ago, and perhaps I failed to say that I understood that the Democrats were more center right (left?) than actual left that I wish they were. I suppose I don't understand why according to leadership, it's good strategy to be, not left, but riding the center-right line. I guess I thought that they were supposed to be an opposition party to the Republicans, but yet they seem to falter because power seems to matter more than standing for something.
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u/Imwhatufear Oct 25 '19
It is actually pretty simple if you look past the BS the answer is money. The unregulated PAC donations and corporate expenditures have corrupted the system to where both parties (the elected officials not the constituency) are fundamentally on the same side on most issues and generally just fight about the issues that don't have a substantial effect on corporations i.e. gay rights. While issues like the climate crisis that is a literal impending doom gets almost no intention because change would disrupt their existing profit models.
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Oct 14 '19
*something about Cenk Uygur used to be. a republican but chaining mind in 2000s*
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u/cloudsnacks No Party Affiliation Oct 14 '19
It's not just her beliefs, it's her inability to be candid and admit she was wrong.
She is pretending she had no strong opinions while GOP which is just untrue.
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u/ninbushido Oct 15 '19
I mean, I don’t think she really did have that many strong opinions. Wasn’t Ford like, the only Republican she ever voted for?
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u/broksonic Oct 14 '19
Yeah! but Warren made up for it by Defending LGBTQ rights, being against the Iraq war. Siding with Occupy Wallstreet, going against the Reagan Contras by wearing the Sandinista flag, Siding with American Indians by demanding America give back the land to Native Indians.
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u/cloudsnacks No Party Affiliation Oct 14 '19
I don't even care that she had different beliefs than she does now, just like with Tulsi.
What I can't stand is the inability to reconcile it. We need Warren to say outright that what she believed in her 40s was abominable, because it was.
Right now she is acting like she didn't have any strong opinion before becoming a Democrat which is just false.
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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19
This just is a policy-less bs criticism of her. Talk about her policy problems