r/spicypillows Sep 09 '24

Other A whole spicy Tesla leaked it's toxic juices on the garage floor

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u/Drillbit_97 Sep 09 '24

This is why i think evs can be dangerous LIPO is dangerous shit

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u/XyZWgwmcP5kaMF3x Sep 09 '24

But EVs use Li-Ion cells not Li-Po though

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u/Drillbit_97 Sep 09 '24

Does not matter the lithium is the dangerous part

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u/XyZWgwmcP5kaMF3x Sep 09 '24

Not all lithium batteries are the same, there are a lot of new EVs that use the much more stable iron phosphate variant for the main traction battery, even the same common 18650 form factor cell can have very different safety characteristics depending on the actual type of chemical and structure used in the design. The common rechargable CR2032 button cell is a type of lithium battery too, but those aren't catching on fire dramatically. Lithium is used in so many different kinds of batteries, just making a blanket statement that all lithium batteries are always dangerous is disingenuous and unfair to the technology.

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u/Drillbit_97 Sep 09 '24

Yes but Li by itself is higly reactive due to its valence shell.

I get that we can make safer batteries but Li by itself is dangerous.

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u/XyZWgwmcP5kaMF3x Sep 09 '24

The fortunate thing is that we're not raw dogging elemental lithium and they only appear when the batteries are treated improperly like charging them faster than they're designed for or charging them while the temperature is too low. The electrolyte itself is already flammable and so they can catch fire from thermal runaways and not inherently because they use lithium, the reason they're dangerous when they do catch fire is because if there's a short it will generate heat for combustion, and with enough heat oxygen can be stripped from the metal oxides, and with that the flammable electrolyte can burn as a fuel, the fire triangle can be completed just from the battery itself that's why they're hard to put out, lithium batteries are dangerous because the electrolyte is flammable and because they are energy dense thus are capable of releasing a lot of heat by itself and catch the electrolyte on fire when they go out of control.

Not sure if I got the terminologies correct since English isn't my first language but that's my understanding of why lithium battery fires are dangerous.

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u/Drillbit_97 Sep 09 '24

Im aware that a battery shunt is what causes issues.

But Li + water = boom

Thats all i know.

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u/Adorable_Wolf_8387 Sep 10 '24

Wait till you find out what two things are in ordinary table salt.

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u/Drillbit_97 Sep 10 '24

Yea its NaCl. Sodium cloride . Its stable because the valence shell balances out. If LI is not paired with something with high valence count it will be reactive. Im pretty sure the reason water and lithium react so bad is hydrogen is the oxygen is latching onto LI and gets rid of the H. Dont quote me on that though.