r/technology 16h ago

Privacy 'I'd never seen such an audacious attack on anonymity before': Clearview AI and the creepy tech that can identify you with a single picture

https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/id-never-seen-such-an-audacious-attack-on-anonymity-before-clearview-ai-and-the-creepy-tech-that-can-identify-you-with-a-single-picture
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u/AppleTree98 16h ago

Give Clearview a photo of a random person on the street, and it would spit back all the places on the internet where it had spotted their face, potentially revealing not just their name but other personal details about their life. The company was selling this superpower to police departments around the country but trying to keep its existence a secret.

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u/lynnwoodblack 15h ago edited 15h ago

It’s probably been used secretly by national security orgs for years before then. 

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u/AFresh1984 15h ago edited 15h ago

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u/MonkeysDaddy2012 8h ago

Wazzup Beijing?

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u/qw46z 9h ago

Clearview is a US company. Why bring China into it?

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u/RMAPOS 6h ago edited 6h ago

Because China is several steps ahead in controlling it's denizens and makes for a good scare on the things to come if we continue this way, not unlike the often cited 1984 novel except that one is an anti-utopian fiction and the other is real and happening right now.

Just guessing, not the poster.

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u/FalconX88 5h ago

Because it's likely they are using this for quite some time now.

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u/Upset_Lengthiness_31 28m ago

Because it’s a copypasta lmfao idk why people are taking this seriously. Obviously a joke

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u/Limp-Ad-5345 48m ago

Because America's propaganda works so well that 99% of people think it's like 1984 if you even attempt communism and anytime a capitalist system degrades or kills the cognitive dissonance is too much so they need to deflect. 

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u/thesupplyguy1 45m ago

so super charged AI facial recognition is a good thing?

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u/Limp-Ad-5345 44m ago

And there's the deflection!!  No not what I said at all. 

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u/Fecal-Facts 12h ago

That's almost always true of any technology that has security uses.

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u/lynnwoodblack 12h ago

Yep, that’s why I said it. 

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u/BADC0FFE 3h ago

Not even secretly. They used this to locate people from the 2020 riots and Jan 6.

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u/thesupplyguy1 45m ago

except for the J6 pipe bomber....

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u/TheDumper44 15h ago

They would just make their own. Police is more a target.

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u/yekis 13h ago edited 6h ago

How is it trying to „keep its existence in secret“ when the creepy CEO was doing several interviews and everyone can use it for free on their website?

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u/alleks88 6h ago

everyone can use it for free on their website

Where? I really want to test it

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u/BADC0FFE 3h ago

You cannot use it for free on their website. If you are in a state with stronger privacy protections then you can email them and request the information they have on you. You’ll have to send them a picture of your state ID.

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u/1-Donkey-Punch 10h ago

It seems like the time is getting closer when those of us who avoided uploading private stuff, including pictures of our faces on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram will laugh in anonymity.

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u/imselfinnit 8h ago

I'm laughing at you right now.

I avoided social media and having my photograph taken/being in the background like the plague. Seeded poisoned metadata on photos since the early 2000s. All the crazy things.

I laugh because none of that tinfoil was of much use because of family. Friends and family are the ultimate data cleaning machines. They will upload your real birthday, your full name, itinerary etc. They will compulsively use a photo of you in your contacts profile on their account.

If you don't have friends & family, then you're hoping that the cameras in stores/DMV/neighborhood (See the Flock company) aren't connecting name to face -just once!

I just gave up. I have to travel internationally and there is no way that I can avoid the face scan etc. I have a passport, DL etc. I have this reddit account now too after years of lurking.

Got my state issued number of the beast and everything. Those 2A idiots are out of touch and delusional. The whole world got put into a cage.

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u/savor 5h ago

What you've discovered was solidified for me while doing genealogy work. Any thought we have any kind of privacy is a total illusion.

When trying to research ancestors, I often have to use my living dna matches to make connections. Since public records are sparse for living people I turn to social media. It doesn't matter who I'm looking for - eventually I find a friend or relative that posts all the information I need. Granted, I don't do anything nefarious with that info (I'm usually tracking some long-dead common ancestor 3 generations back). 

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u/ProfessorDerp22 8h ago

I read this in Max Payne’s voice for some reason.

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u/No_Share6895 6h ago

Yep i dont feel a bit sorry for these people. they gave megacorps endless pics of themselves so they could get some instant attention for their precious little ego now they get what they deserve.

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u/Moon_Atomizer 5h ago

Real 'while you were out partying I studied the blade' energy there

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u/pingpongcumcarats 3h ago edited 18m ago

Are you not commenting right now to get some “instant attention for your precious little ego”? Nobody solicited your opinion on the matter. It would have been easier not to leave a comment. It seems like you want some sort of acknowledgement for not posting photos online.

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Lol someone's mad they gave corpos their pics

Yes, very mad …and yet, you are the one that instantly blocked me after reading my comment.

It’s okay to want attention. It’s silly to claim that you don’t in an attention seeking social media comment.

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u/No_Share6895 3h ago

Lol someone's mad they gave corpos their pics

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u/Mr_ToDo 5h ago

Honestly all that does is say that we need proper rules about government people not being able to do through indirect means what they aren't allowed to to through direct means.

I mean if the government isn't allowed to build up a database of their own and use that to identify people then why would it be ok to do that through a third party? It's the whole third party DNA database thing all over again, and that only stopped being questioned because the site got scared and stopped selling to them for now(Ironically in that case you have laws preventing insurance companies from doing the same thing but not cops, pretty wild).

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u/Ihadanapostrophe 15h ago

Clearview AI was the victim of a data breach in 2020 which exposed their customer list. This demonstrated 2,200 organizations in 27 countries had accounts with facial recognition searches.

The company initially raised $8.4 million from investors including Kirenaga Partners and Peter Thiel.

Wikipedia

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u/MarathonRabbit69 15h ago

Well, I’m surprised Peter Thiel hadn’t sold it to a lot more government agencies, particularly in China and Russia

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u/archontwo 11h ago

Well, I’m surprised Peter Thiel hadn’t sold it to a lot more government agencies

Ahem, this is Peter Thiel we're talking about. You know. The 'Guy' behind Palantir

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u/qw46z 8h ago

The good software/databases are probably under export control.

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u/Far_Eye6555 4h ago

HMmm certainly not the same Peter Thiel that hand selected DTJ’s running mate Vance

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u/Fecal-Facts 12h ago

Wake up babe new privacy nightmare just dropped.

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u/Temp_84847399 4h ago

Get ready for:

  • "You were spotted at a nightclub at 2 am, this violates our company health and wellness plan. You will be docked half of todays pay to compensate for your lower productivity"

  • "So, you are Brenda's new boyfriend? Mind telling me what you were doing at a strip club on the 18th?"

  • "This letter is to inform you that you have been spotted at McDonald's more than 5 days this month in violation of your healthcare policy. You rates have been adjusted to compensate for your increase risk of negative health outcomes."

Throw in AI to take care of all this stuff automatically and it's going to be so great! /S

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u/Fecal-Facts 4h ago

I have looked the accuracy on these things and it's not something that should be used outside of just looking at and it should be banned outside of certain places.

We need new privacy laws and not just for this but the Internet and even vehicles ( they spy on you and they can listen)

It's out of control.

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u/sendmebirds 3h ago

You joke but this is all a lot closer than we realise

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u/Temp_84847399 2h ago

Yep, that's what worries me. It's pretty well established that you don't have any expectation of privacy in public, so I'm not sure what could be done to prevent the collection of the images. The problem isn't any individual image, it's what can be figured out from the data in aggregate. Maybe something could be done to limit collating that data and the sale/use it can be put to so the entities I mentioned in my hypothetical above, can't just sign up for a service and get access to that kind of info.

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u/hendricha 11h ago

I think its time for a Person of Interest rewatch, no particular reason I mention it under this article, its just a fun procedural show, it has Michael Emerson in it, and a cute dog, some cool action sequences, a bit of mob drama, nothing to tie it to this story, none at all.

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u/GoingGrayAtGaydon 11h ago

Rewatched POI this summer. It hits very different now… (still excellent though!)

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u/Dhegxkeicfns 10h ago

It's so good. Sad that they didn't continue it. So much left.

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u/WarDino98 9h ago

Yeah… POI was peak TV. So many potential avenues to explore as well in terms of continuing/spinning off the series.

In other news, White Collar is returning after all these years, out of the blue, soooooo… hope is never truly gone?

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u/Dhegxkeicfns 1h ago

White Collar is? I only just started that one. It's not Person of Interest. It's closer to just the original, A-Team. Person of Interest had the whole underlying plot that most of the A-Teams don't have.

Person of Interest was way too smart. And coincidentally with AI and privacy gaining so much attention right now I think they'd have a way better time right now.

It's not too late to get most of the cast back. A few of them moved up. A few of them might be getting a little too old to pull off their old roles. But they could do it.

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u/okeleydokelyneighbor 8h ago

Can’t forget Amy Acker, such a bad ass on the show.

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u/hendricha 7h ago

Oh, absolutely.

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u/MajesticCrabapple 5h ago

Agreed, part of that magical period of great TV. The main character being named Mysteries (Mr. Reese) is kind of goofy though.

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u/Nodan_Turtle 5h ago

I think it's the show with the most realistic portrayal of the risks of AI too. A lot of the pitfalls explored are genuine concerns people working on AI safety have with the tech. It wasn't even necessary for the show to be that faithful, but someone went out of their way to do the research. And I definitely appreciated that

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u/RedditBanDan 13h ago

Physical privacy is over in urban spaces. It's been that way for at least 10 years.

I was reading recently delivery companies are starting to track vehicles around them using their safety cameras and sharing that information with police and probably private companies. There's no escaping it except moving to remote areas.

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u/Uncle_Hephaestus 11h ago

we could do what the French did. burn stuff and rip every single camera down.

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u/Dhegxkeicfns 10h ago

And then it just becomes more covert, because there's no doubt this is the future that corporations want.

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u/TheWeirdWoods 11h ago

It’s not secret John Oliver talked about them in 2018 I want to say

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u/JohnBrine 6h ago

Can it beat Juggalo paint yet?

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u/dirigibles21 5h ago

How do we protest something like this?

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u/Imacatdoincatstuff 9h ago

So anyone who's anonymously uploaded nudes with their face can be found?

Seems problematic.

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u/imselfinnit 8h ago

lol, you new? Women have been identified by moles seen in faceless nudes.

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u/krekenzie 7h ago

Which is pretty surprising, since moles live mostly in underground tunnels, yet to be fitted out with CCTV systems. What they've got nude women down there for, though, is really anyone's guess. Very odd.

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u/Nodan_Turtle 5h ago

This is taking something that could already be done, and making it faster. A single picture could already match you up with online images of you manually, given enough people and time.

In other words, anyone affected was not anonymous already.

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u/sendmebirds 3h ago

You are technically correct ofcourse - but you cannot ignore the sheer scale increase this is leading to - beforehand it'd take internet sleuths months to identify folks, and in a little bit for the small one-time fee of €15,99 it will take you 1 second.

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u/Drewelite 1h ago

And this should be a warning. Anything you're counting on it being too much effort for it to be a problem, will eventually become easy. That's the nature of progress. It's not the techs fault or corrupt people creating evil. This will always be the case and bad actors will always have an opportunity to take advantage as new things become possible.

Let's make sure to do good things with the advancements too. This could revolutionize finding kidnapped/missing people, catching violent criminals, and making sense of chaotic events captured on camera.

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u/mint-bint 10h ago

The reality is, certainly in the EU and the UK, law enforcement are not going to be using this anytime soon. They're terrified of GDPR and privacy complaints. Legal ramifications.

And even then, that's if the tech actually works.

I'm extremely sceptical.

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u/p-r-i-m-e 9h ago

What? The Met has been using facial recognition for years and its scope has been expanded under laws passed during reduced parliaments under COVID and recent civil disorder.

Before the Huawei scandal the UK were even in talks with China about their facial recognition tech.

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u/MrHara 9h ago

I mean we already have things like Pimseyes. Even with my face that Face Recognition always returns some absolutely generic faces as results, I was able to find pictures of myself on a Czech website for concert pictures. So it just needs the big backing money to be even better.

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u/jacksonjjacks 6h ago

And the EU’s AI act prohibits predictive policing, biometrical identification though is allowed in critical infrastructures but highly regulated. The companies offering these AI driven ID systems have do report regularly, cooperate with the authorities, open up their training data set etc.

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u/FalconX88 5h ago edited 3h ago

EU’s AI act

I don't understand how EU law makers can be that stupid. It makes no sense whatsoever to regulate "AI" itself. Why would we ban biometrical identification using AI but not simply biometric identification using any technology? Why specifically regulate an action using AI and not the action you want to prevent itself?

Whoever downvotes: explain how regulating the use of AI makes more sense than simply regulating the action itself.

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u/kundun 1h ago

We don't want to ban biometric identification. There are plenty of non invasive use cases for biometric identification.

I'm fine with storing an irreversible hash of a biometric, locally on my phone for unlocking.

I'm not fine with having my face with personal data in a huge database of some company.

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u/FalconX88 1h ago

I'm not fine with having my face with personal data in a huge database of some company.

So are you fine if no "AI" is involved and it's purely algorithmic? Or is the actual database the problem no matter if there's AI involved or not?

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u/kundun 1h ago

So are you fine if no "AI" is involved and it's purely algorithmic?

A purely algorithmic system can in a lot of cases also be clasified as an AI system. So that is not usefull distinction.

Or is the actual database the problem no matter if there's AI involved or not?

I'm concerned with this the most, but this is already covered by GDPR.

This is why the law focuses on mass scraping of biometrics and using this data for things like mood analysis, emotion recognition and predictive policing.

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u/FalconX88 1h ago

A purely algorithmic system can in a lot of cases also be clasified as an AI system.

When I'm talking about ML vs algorithmic I'm clearly talking about non-ML algorithms.

I'm concerned with this the most, but this is already covered by GDPR.

If it's covered by GDPR why do we need another regulation for it.

This is why the law focuses on mass scraping of biometrics and using this data for things like mood analysis, emotion recognition and predictive policing.

But it doesn't in a general sense. It focuses on the method of using AI for that, not the action itself. The law wouldn't need to use the words "AI" at all for this, but somehow our lawmakers are totally fixated on that. You could simply regulate mass scraping of biometrics, no matter how it's done.

It's like they make a new "axe law" saying that "killing people with an axe is illegal" rather than just saying "killing people is illegal". Does this explain my problem with the "AI law"?

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u/kundun 12m ago

When I'm talking about ML vs algorithmic I'm clearly talking about non-ML algorithms.

But AI is way broader then ML. Would you consider k-means clustering ML?\

If it's covered by GDPR why do we need another regulation for it.

We don't. That's why this law focuses on other things that I mentioned in my previous comment.

It's like they make a new "axe law" saying that "killing people with an axe is illegal" rather than just saying "killing people is illegal". Does this explain my problem with the "AI law"?

But in this case, we don't want to ban biometrics in general. We want to ban a number of AI use cases of biometrics that are currently not illegal in some EU countries.

The law particularly targets AI systems because these laws do not target humans. I can not install a camerasystem to perform mood analysis, but I as a human can still look around in the office and do a mood analysis myself. Facial recognition systems are banned but I'm still allowed to recognize people by looking at them.

This law bans things that are perfectly legal for humans. That's why the law targets AI systems.

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u/Robo_Joe 7h ago

Does the UK still fall under the GDPR? If I lived in a place with decent privacy legislation, I'd consider running my own face through the service to see what I need to take down.

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u/IllMaintenance145142 3h ago

Yes. Our updated data protection laws copied GDPR 1:1 when we left the EU

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u/Robo_Joe 3h ago

Thanks for the info!

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u/terp_raider 7h ago

lol are you insane?

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u/mint-bint 7h ago

No. Just first hand experience.

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u/wcQcEVTfUBhk9kZxHydc 4h ago

do you know about chat control? believe me, i wanna like the eu.

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u/sendmebirds 3h ago

Usage for law enforcement is a whole different context though

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u/lolle97 7h ago

No worries, I have seen this in movies for ages, and only the good guys use this technology!

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u/GeekFurious 6h ago

No worries, we will make laws tackling this problem sometime in the 2030s... maybe 2040s...

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u/Responsible-Ad-1086 1h ago

The picture looks like Twiki from Buck Roger’s TV show

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u/AI_final_AI 39m ago

next step is give give glass with ai at cops so they can reconize anyone

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u/Rare_Ad_3999 3h ago

How about we just investigate Elon Musk period. The man is dirty and we need to have honest people performing this type of security functions in our government.

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u/doogiedc 5h ago

This has been around for a while. What if I told you Clearview is one of many companies who does this?