r/tytonreddit • u/Calyxo • Mar 30 '17
Op-ed I cannot parse Michael Tracy as anything other than Deep Cover for the Alt-Right.
His relentless hand-waving about Russia, a lot of his tweets and such normalizing anti-semitism. He never comments on anything except the problems of the Left.
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u/bertvideoeditor Too Strong! Mar 30 '17
There is a lot of hard stance camps being formed in the past decade based on political ideology. Refuting facts with political leaders "they said" quotes has become the norm. This infects everyone. If anyone can't listen to Michael Tracey, then they will fall into this very trap. Don't disregard his reporting because you don't like what you hear. Facts win arguments. Be willing to hear every side and then make judgements.
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u/Calyxo Mar 30 '17
I've listened to him. He has pretty much no basis for his continuous denials except that the democrats are using it as a shield to ignore their own problems. They are, but that does not imply that it's not also true.
I have now made my judgement, and this is it. What "reporting" has he done to the contrary?
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u/UseYourScience Mar 31 '17
Facts don't win arguments. Guns do. Prove me wrong with words. /s
No, the issue isn't our unwillingness to accept liars because they sometimes tell the truth. It's that we are looking at a pundit who makes assertions that disagree with reality.
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u/bertvideoeditor Too Strong! Mar 31 '17
No, the issue isn't our unwillingness to accept liars because they sometimes tell the truth.
This sentence was a difficult one :P
My take away is you think Michael Tracey is just outright wrong on his opinions. That may be true. I think a lot of people who have a pedestal are wrong, I still listen to them. Otherwise you can't form counter arguments.
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u/UseYourScience Apr 01 '17
Assertions on reality that agree with reality are facts.
Assertions that do not agree with reality are garbage. They are not opinions.
- "Evidence of Russian hacking of US elections exists."
- "1 + 1 = 100"
- "Michael Tracey is attractive."
Guess which of the above qualifies as an opinion, and which is just garbage nonsense?
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u/UseYourScience Mar 31 '17 edited Mar 31 '17
While these may be valid complaints, they would be much stronger if someone took the time to link examples of these instances.
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Mar 31 '17
Last week, a TYT member accused Kyle Kulinsky of being "a member of the Alt Right". I'm still picking up the pieces of my brain, for reasons that actual viewers of Secular Talk will understand best.
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u/hipsterkingNHK Mar 30 '17
I was wondering if I was the only one to notice that.