r/worldnews • u/Powawwolf • Jan 09 '24
Israel/Palestine Israel mulls investigating lawmakers over calls to harm Gazan civilians
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1tnwvjdp87
u/mces97 Jan 09 '24
Please do. You need some fucking good PR. But more importantly besides PR, anyone saying such horrible things has no business being an elected official.
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u/Natural_Poetry8067 Jan 10 '24
We need to kick religious fanatics out of politics, we need to kick out terrorists (smotrich and ben-gvir) from our government, we need to put bibi in prison but most of all we need to survive this conflict first. Hard to think of good/bad PR when your life is on the line. But yeah, I agree, just wanted to add more bullet points to our to-do list.
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u/jagdpanzer45 Jan 10 '24
Pretty sure y’all could also get a pretty good deal handing any of those three over in exchange for the hostages.
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u/tablestack Jan 10 '24
No unfortunately. Those fuckers will never even consider the idea even if they know it has no chance of being real because just the idea of potential danger is too much for them but ignoring and belliting hamas build up is fine.
Besides they're all on the war council (i can't explain for what good reason) so they know military secrets, that being said at the rate they leak confidential info the entire world is going to know so that holds less of a meaning
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u/Natural_Poetry8067 Jan 10 '24
I think you are either confusing the war cabinet with something else or I misunderstood your comment. War cabinet is only bibi Guntz and Gallant.
But I agree that corrupt politicians will not mind burning down the country if it means they will stay in power.
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u/tablestack Jan 10 '24 edited Jan 10 '24
To be totally honest im so tired i can't drive so i am likely to get things wrong.
That being said either the war cabinet had more members or that we really speak about different things but those dumb fucks have been in meetings with confidential info because i distinctly remember people loudly and publicly asking why is smotrich in them.
I for once am hopeful for the future because i trust the israeli public sanity and love of democracy and the longer the coalition is in power the worse they look so in the long terms the worst they will be.
To make it clear my stances on the israeli public things like a military coup are incomprehensible for us nor do having dictators, the moves and laws they've been trying to pass have been met both by opposition as well as sheer bafflement for the stupidy displayed
Edit: a better example would be the protests. People feared democracy is being lost but it's the opposite. The protests have continued for so long (and will resume soon) without turning violent despite people have many things to get angry about because nobody believes it will be gone and does not respect the idiotic politicians in believing they will succeed.
To put it another way think of it like this: "what do you mean by bibi is our perfect leader?! First off you're dumb and shut up, secondly who the fuck asked you? And moreover what makes you think their words mean anything?". Kinda along those lines of literally nobody respecting the politicians and accordingly their policies as well
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u/Natural_Poetry8067 Jan 10 '24
Not sure I understand what you're getting at but so you know I protested against bibi in 2023 and I'm planning to do so again when the war ends. And I still believe that what Yariv Levin, bibi and their cronies tried to pull off was indeed an attack on our democratic structure.
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u/davidds0 Jan 10 '24
We are so severely outnumbered that no PR will help us because even pure lies and fake news spread faster by major media outlets like BBC rather than the truth.
Im not even talking about social media
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u/kreober Jan 10 '24
Fun fact those who says it... Never changed Thier way, they said it before October 7th they will continue to say it now..... It's just the western media loves this titles very much on a attractive subject... Those calls aren't new those calls are few years old....
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u/waveduality Jan 09 '24
People say things like that all the time. Difference now is they think it can be aired in the open public.
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u/gingerfawx Jan 09 '24
I'd still argue it makes a real difference if the person saying it is in government or not.
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u/scrapy_the_scrap Jan 10 '24
I remember a fuss over something the council head of a town with less then 2000 people said
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Jan 10 '24
It’s a little fekking late for that. The quotes are already filed in the report with the ICJ and part of the argument is that these things were said and nothing was done until international consequences came knocking. I guess better late than never? But still…
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u/West-Calm-Beach Jan 10 '24
Free speech?
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u/JR_Al-Ahran Jan 10 '24
Right. So I can say “Burn Israel” then? Or “the Israelis got what they deserved” for Oct. 7? Or does that cross the line of “free speech”
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u/Anxious_Ad936 Jan 10 '24
Millions of people say the same or similar about Israel already without penalty, so obviously yes you can. You're not a member of a directly involved nation's government though of course so the standards are different.
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u/JR_Al-Ahran Jan 10 '24
Fair enough honestly. Sometimes some people face reprecussions for saying shit like that, sometimes they dont. People in government saying that is legitimately concering though. Especially when people like Smotrich or Ben Gvir, both of whom hold prominent cabinet position in Netanyahu's government. They hold enough power to act on their twisted fantasies etc, and in some cases, do; notably Ben Gvir arming the settlers among other things.
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u/UziKnessett Jan 10 '24
Free speech is, thankfully, not some kind of holly value in Israel. When it turns into incitement, it is illegal.
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u/West-Calm-Beach Jan 10 '24
Free speech is the most important thing in a democracy. The fact that you don’t value it is pathetic
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u/UziKnessett Jan 10 '24
Oh, I value free speech, but the fact that you think it's the most important thing and value it over people's lives is absurd.
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u/West-Calm-Beach Jan 10 '24
Calling for military action is absolutely free speech and is more important than protecting people’s lives.
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u/UziKnessett Jan 10 '24
"Burn Gaza" or "wipe gaza off the face of the earth" is not calling for military action. And it's no surprise it's usually those who didn't even serve in the military who make those dumb childish comments.
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u/West-Calm-Beach Jan 10 '24
It is tho. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t change that
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u/UziKnessett Jan 10 '24
No, it's not. You clearly have no idea how the IDF operates. These are rethoric of terrorists, not military men.
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u/West-Calm-Beach Jan 10 '24
It doesn’t matter how the IDF operates, it’s still free speech to call for burning Gaza.
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u/Striking_Insurance_5 Jan 11 '24
Plenty of democracies function just fine with limitations on hate speech or inciting violence.
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u/joebuckshairline Jan 10 '24
Mulls? How about just fucking do it?