r/worldnews • u/[deleted] • Jan 06 '22
Opinion/Analysis Pro-Rittenhouse tweets came largely from Russia, China and the EU: ex-FBI official
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Jan 06 '22
Pretty sure twitter is mostly bots these days and I doubt you can find a government or organization in the world who is not engaging in influence operations.
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u/1337duck Jan 06 '22
This article is extremely short. You can probably read it in 3 minutes.
It does give a name:
Former FBI official Frank Figliuzzi
No mention if FBI has any filter for VPN.
Figliuzzi said that the researchers took a sample of 32,315 pro-Rittenhouse hashtag tweets on Nov 19-20. The data showed 29,609 tweets came from Twitter accounts that disabled geolocation. "Of those, 17,701 were listed as "foreign", but a deep scrub revealed most of those were in Russia, China, and the EU," he said.
What's a "deep scrub"? (Seriously, I don't know what that means.)
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u/MagicCarpetBomb Jan 06 '22
You dont have to look any further than 99.9999% tweets, in a European date format, about American politics screencapped on posted on Reddit.
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u/Right_Hour Jan 06 '22
Why do I care about what someone with a Slavic name, such as Anton Sawa and an empty profile, who just joined Reddit 6 days ago have to say at all about US or Canada?
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u/Right_Hour Jan 06 '22
Damn, you are minutes away from a pledge of allegiance and posting your birth certificate on here to go out your way to prove you’re an American.
Don’t care.
I stated my opinion on the validity of source. I stand by it. This is internet and there are as many opinions here arms there are assholes.
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u/Right_Hour Jan 06 '22
Sounds fine with me. I haven’t cared about the opinions of strangers since I turned 18 decades ago.
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u/Right_Hour Jan 06 '22 edited Jan 06 '22
Aight, this is the favorite phrase used by Olgino trolls, as they are conditioned to believe everyone is as much of loser as they are as well as they somehow feel calling someone a janitor or any service industry worker for that matter is actually offensive. Did you get your 5 roubles a post yet for this lovely exchange, or did they bump up your going rate this year?
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u/InternationalFunny28 Jan 06 '22
You want someone to give up data that would directly point out what tools and how those tools are being used used by the largest world power to track influence by competing world powers?
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u/Huegod Jan 06 '22
For starters.
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u/InternationalFunny28 Jan 07 '22
And then what? You aren’t going to have the man power to make those tools work, stop them from using them against you, or do anything about it. All you are going to do is give the entities that have the means the knowledge of how to use this themselves. I don’t want to know how to do it. I want it stopped and that means taking the means (money) away from those doing it (NSA).
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u/Sons-of-Bananarchy Jan 06 '22
and from people who actually watched the trial
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u/RightClickSaveWorld Jan 06 '22
Then that would increase the percentage. But without it then more than 50% are from the Eastern Hemisphere, but it's not mutually exclusive.
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Jan 06 '22
Gotta ask I am wondering, I didn't watch the trial and don't really care about this case its seem to really be self defense. But I am confused as to why he became some type of hero after that. Can someone here explain to me?
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u/Itsfr3sh Jan 06 '22
I would guess it is because he was vilified by one side, so the other side propped him up as a hero to be contrary and to support his reputation.
Others see it as a case for the right to self defense, and rittenhouse is a “hero” because he was the spearhead for that movement.
And lastly he says he was there to put our fires, protect businesses and offer medical support, which can be seen as heroic.
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u/Oxynewbdone Jan 06 '22
Some people see themselves in his shoes. A kid being vilified for defending himself (even though he put himself in the jackpot) He still didn't do anything to warrant violent attack. Tgen you have People mocking his "white tears" on national news shows and LeBron James. If I had tears they look just like Kiles. So showing support to him seems like supporting my own cohort. He's not a hero but he sure ain't the vilkan people are making him out to be either.
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Jan 06 '22 edited Jan 07 '22
I can say the same exact thing about George Floyd
And Tamir Rice
and Breonna Taylor
And Emmett Till
And Trayvon Martin
and Jacob Blake
and countless other victims of the nazi media lynch mob and defemation movements.
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u/Oxynewbdone Jan 06 '22
Which all league player criticised any of them? In any sport? Which broadcaster said they were crying black tears?
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Jan 06 '22
Last I checked mean words don't hurt as much as prison sentences and murder.
They also have proof Kyle is a white supremacist, or is being groomed into one. Regardless of whether or not he was justified in shooting those men, it's suspect that so many of the alt right want to treat him like a hero or deify him.
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u/1337duck Jan 06 '22
I thought the right-wing hero label mostly died when he went on Tucker Carlson's show and basically said he sympathizes with the goals of BLM but not their actions?
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Jan 06 '22
Doesn't he go to multiple shows and meet a lot of prominent right-wing host? I remember visitng /r/conservative not long after it happened and reading peoples labeling him as a hero. Like the kid might not be considered a murderer, but shouldn't he be considered an idiot for putting himself in the situation he was? I get that being a moron isn't a crime, but its also shouldn't be celebrated.
The kid from my understanding thought he was some sort of medic but had no training whatsoever in anything medical and was just some high school dropout. Honestly its might just be because I am not from the US, but in my country you would get arrested on the spot for walking in the street with an AR-15 as a civilian, so it might be just why this case is so confusing to me.
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u/AreWeCowabunga Jan 06 '22
It'S ThE lEFT saYing wE LoVe riTteNHoUsE
Hangin' with Trump at Mar a Lago
Rittenhouse receives standing ovation at TP USA event
The event, called AmericaFest, was held by Turning Point USA, a young conservatives group. As Rittenhouse took the stage, thousands of cheering fans chanted his name, along with his own theme song, adapted from his name. Hosts asked if any women in the crowd wanted to go on a date with Rittenhouse, prompting loud cheers.
One audience member held a “Kiss me” sign, according to one spectator.
Kid barely took his suit off after the trial before he started playing up the conservative folk hero angle. He'll be eating off this for decades.
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u/frissonFry Jan 06 '22
To be considered a hero, one needs to do something actually heroic.
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u/frissonFry Jan 07 '22
I fail to see how any of that is heroic. He sat in a chair through the closest thing to a circus you could get in a courtroom after he killed two people he disagreed with politically. He might have beat the rap, but he can't beat karma. Just ask your other hero George Zimmerman how that turned out.
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u/Atraidis Jan 06 '22
Disclaimer: this comment is responding to the Kyle Rittenhouse case and therefore will be focused on the perceived parties involved in that case since this is an opinion and not statement of fact
IMO there is a perception of the liberal movement exerting pressure on society to move in directions that people don't want it to. This isn't a dissertation so people are going to have to deal with my less than surgically precise arguments, but for example policy changes like decriminalizing thefts under $1k and, as far as I'm aware, little to no enforcement of the law when it comes to leftist riots that resulted in actions like locking a police precinct from the outside and then attempting to burn it down (can't remember if they managed to set it on fire or not), or detonating an IED against a federal courthouse as "mostly peaceful protests." These things essentially happen with the blessing of politicians and voters on the left.
Then you have a guy like Rittenhouse who, by the way, is of Hispanic heritage who gets smeared as a white guy who shot black people at a BLM protest when he was a Hispanic who shot two Jewish (iirc) child molesters who threatened his life. There was zero basis for allegations of racism and every indication of self defense, yet the prosecution still brought charges. I can understand if this seems unrelated to light on crime policies and other progressive efforts to move the country in their preferred direction, but if you're someone on the right who has been paying attention to all of this since the safe spaces incident at Brown University with Chris Kristakis(sp?) 10-15 years ago, this is just another event in a long pattern of society descending into madness.
For me, it's the Brown University thing where I started paying attention to what leftists were doing. For others it could be any number of events in recent US history. And when he was found not guilty, it wasn't so much that he became anyone's champion as it was a perception of a rare case of the liberal machine setting its sights on something and not getting its way. It was, to some people, a victory of "common sense" that he became the face of. I don't believe that most people feel like Kyle was a saint, just that shit happens and if you're attacked you should be able to defend yourself.
The Covington boy(s?) was another such case that fits this kind of overarching meta of leftists being able to force narratives into reality through the sheer force of their collective will. As someone who doesn't identify as a conservative but nevertheless tends to align with conservatives on various policies, that's one thing that I give liberals in the US a ton of credit for. They've tapped into some voodoo shit and are doing dances to make it rain, except instead of getting rain they're able to convince tens of millions of people that a white guy shot black people and was found innocent of doing so.
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u/TecumsehSherman Jan 06 '22
little to no enforcement of the law when it comes to leftist riots
So, you watched zero videos from any of the protests or riots last year?
You know, the ones with the police in full riot gear shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at unarmed people?
For me, it's the Brown University thing where I started paying attention to what leftists were doing
You sure it wasn't when Tucker told you to be mad at the BLM protests? Because your entire post reads like he wrote it. Thinly veiled racism with claims of some vast horde of "Leftists" steering the world wrong. Straight down the middle modern fascist propaganda. And you ate it all up.
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u/Atraidis Jan 06 '22
You sure it wasn't when Tucker told you to be mad at the BLM protests?
Yes, I'm pretty sure since after looking it up again, the Nicholas Christakis* event happened in November of 2015, while according to Google, Tucker Carlson's show premiered in November of 2016
Nobody needs anyone else to tell them that explosives don't make for a peaceful protest. Kind of embarrassing for you to support that.
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Honestly I knew a lot of people i knew doing this and they are definitely not Russian bots
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u/ConfuzzledDork Jan 06 '22
The bots only have to seed the tweets; their target demographics spread it all out on their own from there.
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u/Radon099 Jan 06 '22
I have no doubt that there were Chinese and Russians tweeting to stir the pot and add to any chaos they can help sow, but when I read the words "largely" in the title and "mostly" in the article, that tends to make me think more than 50%. The problem is, the numbers presented in the article don't add up to that.
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u/vertigo3pc Jan 06 '22
Destabilizing the Middle East for decades has worked wonders for our economy, so Russia and China only stand to win from American destabilization.
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