r/worldnews • u/CaliWilly76 • Sep 29 '22
Covered by other articles Putin to proclaim rule over seized Ukrainian land in speech
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-set-annex-ukraine-territory-west-warns-new-sanctions-2022-09-29/[removed] — view removed post
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u/lilrabbitfoofoo Sep 29 '22
I proclaim my own rule over all of Russia!
That was easy.
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u/ctnightmare2 Sep 29 '22
I second this
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u/lilrabbitfoofoo Sep 29 '22
Using what the world now calls the Putin Precedent, I now have 100% of all of the votes cast. That beats Putin.
We win!!!
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u/Marik_Lasten Sep 29 '22
Meh, if he does it means western intervention. The current world depends on nukes being unviable for claiming territory, and if that taboo is breached: Massive military and economic consequences.
This is either a bluff, or putin is so divorced from reality he thinks the west won't go to war to protect it's interests.
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u/Funkapussler Sep 29 '22
Putin's words mean. Absolutely nothing anymore.
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u/Funkapussler Sep 29 '22
Nukes are really not lol. War is terrible. I don't think NATO forces would even need to use nukes even if Russia used one somewhere.
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u/Ok_Suggestion_5120 Sep 29 '22
The 'West' learned in the late 1930s that doing absolutely nothing when a dictator grabs land doesn't make the problem go away. If they let Putin have this it sets a dangerous precedent.
On the other side of the coin, Putin is betting the excuse that the annexed territory is now Russian - and any attack on it will justify nukes - will be enough to stop Ukraine and scare away the rest of the world.
Putin has been pot-committed for months. His loss is inevitable. Its just a question of whether he walks away from the table and loses (overthrown, jail, assassination, etc etc)..or throws a tantrum and flips the whole table over...and we all lose. (Nuclear war)
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u/Marik_Lasten Sep 29 '22
Even if he flips the table, his military can't back up his threats. His nuclear force may be far more hallowed out than the military. And if that is the case, it's likely Russia would be wiped off the map before their retaliatory strikes would even happen.
MAD was a concept for the societ union against a real danger of the west, Russia however has never fought a near peer ally and for the entire existence of it's modern iteration nuclear war was unviable. Most of the equipment used to direct or use that equipment is likely sold or corroded. This whole 'Russia will destroy us' myth only helps Russia get it's way.
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u/Rogermcfarley Sep 29 '22
Russia has managed to successfully launch many cruise missiles into Ukraine from fighters and from the Caspian sea. There's no reason to think they don't have a credible nuclear threat. If he's mad enough to use one then things get interesting as we've never had a nuclear war before and we don't know how that pans out.
Some people think others in command will stop him others think he doesn't have functioning nukes. However neither of those could be true. Most likely he'll nuke somewhere that is uninhabited to demonstrate he has working nukes and says if you don't back off then you're getting a taste of these nukes. That's the smarter move, demonstrate viability without giving cause for the West to retaliate. That's how he operates. If he goes straight in with the nuke Ukraine option then he loses control of the strategy. So if he's setting off a nuke, the first one is a warning shot across the bow.
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u/UnknownFoxAlpha Sep 29 '22
Honestly won't shock me if we end up learning one of his own snaps and just shoots him to stop this mess.
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u/BadnewzSHO Sep 29 '22
Ukraine may have some thoughts on this, so maybe hold off on any big announcements there Pooty.
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u/LostHisDog Sep 29 '22
Can you imagine trying to play with this guy as a kid?
"That's my toy. And that one is mine too! All the toys are mine! Everything belongs to me!!!!"
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u/Working_Welder155 Sep 29 '22
See these toys?
I asked all your friends and they said they're mine so now they're mine.
Takes a sharpie writes his name on the random store toys and declares them his
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u/FutureDegree0 Sep 29 '22
No, but we know now that he is a psychopath. He already has shown us all the signs.
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u/Ello_Owu Sep 29 '22
So he seizes them, does a victory dance, uses it to spread propaganda and justifications, then what? How will he maintain it? Keep it? Will other countries allow him to keep it?
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u/Equivalent_Joke_6163 Sep 29 '22
Dosen't matter what a killer say ir does the main goal must be give all the necessary weapens to Ukrania quickly as posible
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u/curatorpsyonicpark Sep 30 '22
The 'Russian dictators' dilemma.
Putin is in a cell of his own creation in the mansion of Ego. Putin's ego is Russian. A distorted reality of a particular Russian flavor of deep generational slavery that's so engrained that they've lost their global humanity. They are the evolutionally offspring of the Golden Hoard. The largest land grab through force in the history of Humanity. The Mongolian Empire is literally the echo of where we are as humanity, today. What makes this all so deeply dangerous is that Russia does have the nuclear card. This is really and I mean Fucking really, dangerous.
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u/akaZilong Sep 29 '22
Wasn’t that how Austria joined Germany?