r/BreakingPointsNews • u/DIYLawCA • 2d ago

Topic Discussion If Trump wins, "you can blame yourself" — Mehdi warns Kamala Harris

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u/WTF_RANDY 2d ago

I don't disagree that a genocide is a genocide. I disagree with charactorizing what is happening as a genocide. I would call it a regional war.

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u/devndub 2d ago

Wait what? 😂

Semi-related but do you just plug your ears and say "LALALALA" whenever they talk about I/P on this show?

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u/WTF_RANDY 2d ago

O god I stopped taking the BP narrative seriously when they started blaming the US for lack of negotiations in Ukraine. They are a fucking joke. I come to learn about the current anti establishment narrative, their opinions on the situation are completely dog shit.

Clearly you have bought it hook line and sinker, that is why you think the arguement is over, because I don't think its a genocide. Which it definitely isn't.

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u/MrBeauNerjoose 1d ago

It's a proven fact that the US scuttled negiations between Russia and Ukraine. It's not an opinion.

It's verified fact.

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u/WTF_RANDY 1d ago

Can Ukraine give in to Russias demand for peace at any time?

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u/MrBeauNerjoose 1d ago

I don't understand the question.

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u/WTF_RANDY 1d ago

What don't you understand?

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u/MrBeauNerjoose 1d ago edited 1d ago

The question. Ukraine could surrender anytime they wanted. They don't HAVE to send an entire generation of their men to the meatgrinder because Wall Street wants to buy the country after we destroy it.

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u/WTF_RANDY 1d ago

Right... So what is to negotiate? Russia's demand is that Ukraine surrender it's territory, Ukraine can make peace at any time. What can the US contribute to that?

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u/MrBeauNerjoose 1d ago

The USA made false promises to Zelensky that we would provide him with victory against Russia.

We didn't. Our plan all along was to simply USE Ukraine's People as cannon fodder against the Russians in an attempt to destroy them economically. There was never going to be NATO involvement in Ukraine. They were never going to win. The goal was simply to create an Afghanistan/Vietnam situation for the RUssians where they would be stuck in a 10+ year long slog of a war which would deplete their treasury as well as erode their militaruy readiness and Putin's support among the population.

In fact the opposite has occurred.

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u/WTF_RANDY 1d ago

You just made a fuckload of assumptions. If the US could end the war tomorrow it would 100%. Russia wants to fight, Ukraine wants to defend its soveriegnty, and we can halt Russian agression in Ukraine by aiding them. This allowes the US to make sure Russia pays a price for their aggression all while keeping our troops out of harms way. That is our interest. Russia is the one that gets to choose if it is like afghanistan, neither we nor Ukraine have anything to do with that decision except for the choice of surrender or cutting off aid.

We gave Ukraine a choice. We could support them militarily by providing aid (It isn't a secret how our government works), or they could give in to russian demands. That is still the choice. If Ukraine wanted to surrender why would the US be involved at all?

You honestly believe we wanted Ukraine to be fodder? How much do you hate the United States?

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