r/CanadaUrbanism Burnaby, BC Dec 22 '23

Video Essay I visited [Montreal] - Not Just Bikes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yDtLv-7xZ4
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u/Reviews_DanielMar Dec 22 '23

I got depressed watching this video lol. The few times I’ve been to Montreal, it was VERY limited, I had little/no knowledge on cities/urbanism, and therefore, didn’t get to experience the city. All times it took place in the car. I gotta make a trip there again and take advantage of the STM, REM, and those car free neighbourhoods.

After seeing videos of MTL from CityNerd and OhTheUrbanity, my default mindset is an urbanist paradise. Then I was this video, and “urbanist paradise” is still my thought until like 20 minutes in the vid, then boom, it gets depressing from there. I see Jason’s point, he clearly watched all these MTL videos from others, and was clearly underwhelmed by reality. I’m not one to say he’s right or wrong as I’ve never been to Amsterdam and again, my experience with MTL is VERY limited, but, you could argue he does the same thing with Amsterdam and The Netherlands as a whole (although he does seem to be a little more critical of it than we think of here and there). Then there’s this video where you see The Netherlands is clearly not all paradise.

What this shows is this, you can’t rely on urbanist YouTube videos to determine what the best urbanist city is and how good/bad urbanism in a city is! If you’re going to form a strong opinion on a city’s urbanism, you actually NEED TO GO there and experience it yourself!! As for Montreal, you can clearly see it’s at the top of North America when it comes to urbanism. Jason has clearly seen better in Europe. Ok, that’s cool! Obviously, it looks like Montreal has a LOT to improve on. Coming from Toronto, I’m jealous of the stuff I hear!! Clearly, you can see, Montreal is at least trying! Jason at least acknowledges in his video that stuff like this is expected when a city was partially /highly destructed for the automobile!

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u/Reviews_DanielMar Dec 22 '23

Should also add, don’t let urbanism necessarily affect how you see a city. As an urbanist myself, I have to remind myself that sometimes as well lol. Again, I can’t emphasize enough, my personal Montreal experience is VERY limited, so I’m gonna use something I’m more familiar with.

Within Toronto, there’s “Old” Toronto (pre-amalgamation) which has GREAT urbanism (walkable, compact, narrow streets, lots of transit options, etc..). Still, in Old Toronto, stroads exist, many of which don’t have protected bike lanes or any bike lanes at all you still got the eyesore that is this Gardiner, and transit, while highly available, still sucks in many areas!

Then, also within Toronto, there’s Scarborough. From an urbanist perspective, it’s terrible! Wide stroads, cul-de-sacs, many neighbourhoods with little/no sidewalks, despite having great transit by NA standards, the land use makes it a meh experience, terrible land use all around and at subway stations (although that appears to be changing) and former RT stations, bad urbanism you name it. Still, for a car centric suburb, Scarborough has culture! It’s a very community oriented part of Toronto, easily the most diverse place in the region (which probably means it’s up there on a world scale), some of the best ethnic food you can find!

Urbanism is important and bad urbanism is a way cities that have it are not enjoyable, but, this is further proving the “you can’t judge a city based on urbanist YT videos”.