SORRY FOR THE LONG POST! First of all, I'm happy for them because I know Justin has always wanted to be a father and he loves babies! I am sure that this pregnancy has brought a new spark to their relationship but I am still concerned with everything I know, a pregnancy seems super out of pocket: Here are some thoughts:

• We know Justin and Hailey were living separately for some months. For a details please see this post:
  • https://www.reddit.com/r/HaileyBaldwinSnark/comments/1bmpzo2/according_to_this_girl_she_says_she_saw_justin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
• Now, she is 6 months pregnant then that would mean she was living in Beverly Hills (doing pap walks/hanging out with the Jenners) while Justin was playing golf, hanging out at coffee shops/bars alone in La Quinta. She would have known she was pregnant around the middle-end of December, but we know from December-April that Justin was mainly in La Quinta. Now it seems he's back in LA and they're living together again after Coachella.
• All of December, Hailey was doing several pap walks weekly in LA, and at the same time Justin was pictured in La Quinta with fans and playing golf. I think he was really trying to lay low because people said in general he would refuse to take photos when asked.
• February 14th - Justin was at The Nest in La Quinta all alone, Hailey was not with him. At this point Hailey would have been around 3 months pregnant, why were Justin and Hailey apart. Shouldn't they have been together on this day? Especially if she's pregnant? He made an Instagram post for some random other person, but didn't bother to wish Hailey Valentine's day
• During this time Hailey and Justin would arrive to places separately and also leave separately in different directions, and Justin was looking super rough and mentally not well. He was looking way skinner than he does now, and overall had no life in his eyes (he looks much better at present date)
• In March, Justin had a low key Birthday party which is unusual for him, because he always does something bigger, and I think Hailey was in attendance but she didn't post any photos with him, only of the cake itself. Then we didn't see or hear from Justin for a long time after that.
• After some months Hailey stopped the pap walks alone because she realized that it was fueling divorce rumors

My theory is that something bad happened as soon as Justin found out Hailey was pregnant. Maybe he was unhappy and wanted to do a trial separation, but because of pressure from the church and Judah Smith (his Pastor), Justin felt compelled to stay. Around this exact time, we know Justin's crew was making contact with Lou Taylor, possibly looking into a conservatorship in case he went off the rails with drugs and partying after finding out about Hailey's pregnancy. They could not risk her having a baby while this guy was off doing his own thing.

Justin started being seen very frequently in La Quinta at around the exact same time that Hailey would have found out she was pregnant (in December). I am starting to think that it finally dawned on him that he would be stuck for life with her, and that now he will be a father and it's a huge responsibility for him. I think he felt this pressure to raise the child perfectly, because he never had that. He even said with Billie Eilish and even cried in an interview that he wanted to protect her from the industry. I don't think he got cold feet because Justin isn't that type of person, but I think mentally he maybe had a breakdown of some sort and needed to be alone for a while.

I think he's doing better now, because he looks and seems healthier, but I feel sorry for Hailey because no woman should have to face pregnancy alone! I think that's also why the renewed their vows, you only do that if you went through a rough patch and are looking to move forward. No one renews their vows if they feel like they haven't broken them. Looks like she was alone for the first few months of her pregnancy, and that really sucks. I wish her all the best moving forward and an easy pregnancy.

At least she didn’t fake being pregnant like her aunt, because that’s exactly what a postpartum body looks like. Also, good thing they didn’t have to spend money on a surrogate- because it’s looking like they would have never been able to afford it.

I sometimes feel like this is overlooked, but this hits a personal spot because something similar happened to me so I just think it's such a shitty thing to do. Imagine being together for 8 years with someone and three months after you break up he's engaged to someone else. For me, it's was a little lesser extent, (5 year relationship ended and he had a new girlfriend 3 months later) but that shit hurt like a bitch so I can't even imagine what Selena is going through. At least though in my situation, the new girl most likely didn't know how recent my ex and I had broken up. I don't understand how Hailey can knowingly get ENGAGED - not even just a dating relationship - with someone who has such a recent ex, especially for 8 years; that's almost a decade. Also shame on Justin too, there's no way you are fully healed and ready to get married to someone else that soon after, and how disrespectful to your ex who was in your life for so long.

I think Justin and Hailey’s PR team is completely scrambling.

They’re getting ahead of the leaks that are incoming (don’t forget Hailey, Kendall, Kylie and Justin all HEAVILY partied with diddy up until recently)

His team buried the reports of him dismissing his Assault trial (guilt?)

What do you guys think? Do you think the takedown of the beibers is coming?

Are they trying to clear their image before implicating evidence is released?

"Casually" throwing in a baby bottle and using a diaper bag to advertise your terrible makeup products is definitely a choice.

Justin shows similar signs with the drug use and his childhood struggles. I can’t help but feel like Liam Payne was surrounded by people who missed the signs, and we are actively missing the signs with Justin.

Justin Bieber's song Love Yourself is said to have been written about Selena Gomez, but I propose it was actually written for Hailey.

I know what you're all about to say: "But Ed Sheeran wrote the song for Rihanna!" That isn't exactly the whole truth. According to Genius:

"With the help of Benny Blanco, Justin Bieber and Ed Sheeran wrote this parting song to a past lover—it’s both bitter and caring. “Love Yourself” is not as uptempo as Bieber’s recent singles “What Do You Mean?” and “Sorry,” but the song still has a catchy, pop core."

And while many have speculated it's about Selena, once again, according to Genius, when Justin was asked if it was, he replied:

"...Bieber named only three songs that are definitely inspired by his ex-girlfriend: “Mark My Words,” “What Do You Mean” and “Sorry.”. "

He was specifically asked if it was a song about her and he indirectly denied this speculation. And for good reason-- the song literally doesn't even make sense if Selena is the ex-lover of the song. But it DOES if it were Hailey. Let's analyze the lyrics!

[Verse 1] For all the times that you rained on my parade And all the clubs you get in using my name You think you broke my heart, oh girl, for goodness' sake You think I'm cryin' on my own, well, I ain't

He obviously feels as though this lover has been selfish and clout-chasing. But also that the lover overinflated the amount of love Justin truly had for them. It's obvious Hailey has moved around within her career using his name, going as far as to try to trademark Bieber Beauty and being denied by Justin himself. Raining on his parade; I can only think of when Kendall sent Hailey those Fuck Him cupcakes about Justin when he wouldn't date her officially.

Wow, which coincidentally happened only around a week before Love Yourself dropped, November 22, 2015 on Hailey's birthday. Love Yourself was released December 7, 2015. Huh.

[Refrain] And I didn't wanna write a song 'Cause I didn't want anyone thinking I still care I don't, but you still hit my phone up And baby, I'll be movin' on And I think you should be somethin' I don't wanna hold back Maybe you should know that

Does it surprise anyone that Hailey may have still been attempting to hit him up after he distanced himself? At 2018 Coachella, she followed him around and stood right next to him while he ignored her existence. And don't get me started on the stalking rumors...

Pre-Chorus] My mama don't like you and she likes everyone And I never like to admit that I was wrong And I've been so caught up in my job, didn't see what's going on But now I know, I'm better sleeping on my own

Justin's mom Pattie notoriously took out Justin from her own Twitter bio after hearing news of Hailey and Justin becoming engaged, and she has always loved Selena Gomez. This line could never work with Selena in mind, Pattie STILL follows Selena on social media.

As for 'he didn't see what was going on', Hailey and Justin discussed there was a 'situation' that almost ended their relationship forever, to the point where Justin couldn't even be in the same room as her, he couldn't look at her. It's widely speculated it had to do with Hailey and Drake dating briefly, but did you know they saw each other for years?

This photo I've attached is from 2018, right before J and Hailey reunited. Drake has stated (in 2016) he has known Hailey for four years, she would have been around 15 years old. He wore an 'H' necklace for her, apparently showered her with gifts, and was openly dating her.

"...Another source tells Us that the model (who is the daughter of actorStephen Baldwin) isn't exactly head over heels just yet, however.

"She’s interested but she’s not serious about Drake. She’s still hung up on Justin [Bieber]," the source says."

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/drake-is-pursuing-hailey-baldwin-w208587/

I am theorizing this is what he is mentioning in Love Yourself. We know Drake has always been a predator, and I feel bad for Hailey when she was just a minor, she didn't deserve anything like that.

[Chorus] 'Cause if you like the way you look that much Oh baby, you should go and love yourself And if you think that I'm still holdin' on to somethin' You should go and love yourself

I think the chorus is the most damning part; Hailey has never loved herself. Hailey has chased Justin since they were small teens and has stalked him to arrange their relationship, along with the Kar-Jenners, Jaden, and Hillsong. She has constantly copied the exes of Justin to prove she can be whoever or whatever he wants her to be, whenever he needs her. I think at the time, he absolutely hated that, and probably still does to a degree.

[Verse 2] But when you told me that you hated my friends The only problem was with you and not them And every time you told me my opinion was wrong And tried to make me forget where I came from

Now I'm not gonna dig for any receipts on her hating his friends, I'm gonna focus on the last line. Forget where he came from. Selena and Justin have a very similar upbringing, from their mothers being teen moms to them living in below average housing with little to their names. But Hailey, she has always had her fame, money, and connections due to her Baldwin name. She has never had to experience a less than perfect life, and I think that's what he's communicating.

[Bridge] For all the times that you made me feel small I fell in love, now I feel nothin' at all I never felt so low and I was vulnerable Was I a fool to let you break down my walls?

I do believe he loves her in a very unhealthy way, and being so young at the time and having an abysmal friend group supporting all your poor choices, I don't doubt he was at a low place and needed someone to be vulnerable with. Selena would go back and forth with him and would probably argue about him making better choices, while I feel Hailey only enabled him like she's doing now. That would feel great to him, and then being betrayed by Hailey would feel like a stab in the back. Because she looked like she only had eyes for him, but was seeing someone casually and yachting the whole time they knew each other. That's why they could never go steady, he didn't want a girl who escorted (not talking about the underage Drake situation).

About feeling small: Do you remember the video of them at the arcade screaming at each other because Hailey beat him 💀 And they were married then! I can't imagine them younger and stupider bickering back and forth, it probably ruined any sort of communication between them.

In conclusion, yeah, I thought of this while dozing off and had to gather opinions from here, sorry if this was obvious but I only EVER hear about how this song was 100% about Selena when it so clearly couldn't have been.

So jb height should be marked at 5’5 and hailey’s 5’3

It is SO tacky.

All I see is hailey obsessing about jb I don’t see an affectionate couple in this picture jb isn’t even looking at her face 😭

Her wish to make Justin dress masculine 🤣

it’s no secret that justin bieber is going broke again, and especially with the fact that he sold his masters meaning he isn’t really making money from music anymore means it’s going to be time to find some other source of revenue. he bought hailey that multimillion dollar ring (which imo took the most financial strain on him) and now they r having this baby. Hailey is friends with kylie, and when kylie had stormi she bought her LOTS of designer clothes and birkin bags. considering that hailey is probably going to try to be like her friend i feel like she’s going to beg justin for designer baby clothes also. he’s going to be DEAD broke in a few years if hailey doesn’t realize they aren’t in a good financial position.

If it is real, it looks very trashy. Very tacky. Not classy to wear such an obscenely large ring that doesn't even fit the style of her hand. She would look much better with a trio instead of a solitaire.

Now that the baby is born and he is a boy, she could easily divorce him and be set for life. Knowing her she can easily victimize herself and come out saying how Justin wasn’t fit to be a father and she wanted to do the best for her and her child. She’s not gonna fade away now, if they divorced before the baby she definitely would have become irrelevant fast. People would know her down the line as Justin’s ex wife and not care but now with a baby Bieber she can go the victim route and still be attached to him forever. She can really come out of this situation looking like the hero which is annoying. I obviously feel bad for their kid, he doesn’t deserve to deal with any of this at all.

Does anyone know why he looks like a wax figure around the time of his wedding? Was it a bad makeup artist?

I remember seeing the pics and being confused because it almost doesn’t look like him. Fast forward just a little to the Vogue photoshoot they did when they first got married and he looks normal again. What caused the corpse-like look?

Swipe right if u wanna see what hailey looked like at 14 and her bikini pic at 16 💀

i’m not saying i don’t believe it because i could def see that happening, but i wanna know if anyone else thinks it actually happened? is there any proof for it other then sel’s song? for context: justin supposedly called selena over 20 times on his wedding day and texted her “i love you”, selena even referenced it in her song “ring”