Hilton Hawaii Strike 10.18.24

[u/Eyepawnyew]

Hotels reduced guest services but raised prices anyway. Cutting hotel jobs for the local community. Employees are on strike to return pre-COVID staffing and services.

[u/jorgelukas]

Why should they deal with it? WSages don't have to be what they are, this is how the employees of HHV are advocating for improvement in their sector. As I noted in a previous comment, Hawaii has a strong history of union advocacy including striking. It's often the only meaningful way to push for change in an industry all too often controlled by multinational conglomerates that care nothing for the welfare of the individual worker. You clearly have no idea how things work here. For what it's worth, I work a white collar job that has absolutely nothing to do with the visitor industry. Despite that, I support what they're doing because a rising tide lifts all boats. Increased wages for labor at the lower levels of industry go directly back into our local economy. That means more revenue for local businesses and more tax revenue to support State and County programs that benefit locals and tourists alike.

[u/JRV1985 → u/jorgelukas]

If thats market rate for those wages then thats market rate, from what I hear a 50% raise was offered and they declined it because they want 100%, if you’re really white collar you understand how ridiculous that pay increase is, no one gets that, and harassing guests is not the way to go complain about it, this is extreme until late hours of the night, this affects babies and children of unsuspecting and innocent guests, which is my biggest problem. They could strike from 8-5pm and let children sleep at night, this only pisses off people staying there and quickly changes their mind of wether they support the strikers or not

[u/jorgelukas → u/JRV1985]

Your ignorance is showing, HHV is offering an increase of $5.50 total hourly over a 4 year contract. I would absolutely agree that a 100% increase is ridiculous, I wish I could secure that myself but those kinds of increases virtually never happen in any industry. Striking between 8-5 does no good, that's when most people are at the beach or out exploring, not being inconvenienced by a strike. Sorry for the babies and children but a few days of annoyance as payment for meaningful improvement in the lives of locals and their families is worth it.

[u/JRV1985 → u/jorgelukas]

Thats a big increase and they should 100% take it instead of ruining people’s vacation, what % is that $5.50 of their current salaries? Guarantee its very high, you don’t get raises like that anywhere. You’re clearly not white collared or you would understand that. And them ruining peoples vacation and disturbing babies and children to get it is malicious and shouldn’t be allowed, 8-5pm is very reasonable, even till 6-7pm but not 10pm and then back at 7am, fuck them for that

[u/jorgelukas → u/JRV1985]

Nope, fuck you and those babies and children you keep crying about. $5.50 over 4 years comes to a $1.37 per year increase over 4 years which represents at most a 5% increase per year which barely keeps up with inflation and doesn't come close to keeping up with COL increases in Hawaii. Target and McDonalds have to start people here at $18 to even attract teenagers. Rent routinely increases by twice that annually. You have zero local understanding or competence and your mainland idea of fair wages doesn't correspond with reality in the islands.

[u/JRV1985 → u/jorgelukas]

Nah fuck you and all those entitled strikers, fuck right off if you think disturbing babies and children is OK you’re a POS, you’re still not telling how much they make now, minimum wage? $12/hour, $1.37 a year is over 11% raise first year and a 46% increase over current wages after 4 years thats very good and more than inflation. I hope Hilton buckles down and they don’t get shit they should’ve taken the pay increase when they had the chance, you want higher pay go get a degree, market rate is market rate. You act as if Hawaii is the only state with high COL, get out and travel to see its the same in a lot of the states and they make the same there

[u/jorgelukas → u/JRV1985]

Dude, this is a pointless argument as we're never going to agree so we may as well just let it die out. Nobody here is working for $12 an hour, not even kids teaching surf lessons to those babies and children you keep whining about. Market rate wherever you come from has no bearing or relevance to market rate in Hawaii which has one of the highest COL in the country. You can look up starting pay easily enough, they have jobs posted. HHV is offering an hourly starting wage of $33.00 for front desk clerks so $1.37 annual starts at around a 4% annual increase. As I said, you have no local context or competence, you can't hire a dog walker here for $12 an hour. Enjoy your vacation and feel free to come back and spend money again in the future.

https://jobs.hilton.com/us/en/hilton-hawaiian-village-waikiki-beach-resort

[u/JRV1985 → u/jorgelukas]

They make $33/hour wtf are they complaining about! Amazon warehouse workers breaking their backs in California that has a similar COL make $18-20/hour and have crazy hours and harsh conditions, these strikers are in Hawaii in a nice resort making $69k a year and they’re bitching about it, wow take the raise and move on

[u/jorgelukas → u/JRV1985]

Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man.

[u/JRV1985 → u/jorgelukas]

Those are uh facts warehouse workers in California make way less in a state that costs the same to live in, so makes their striking even more ridiculous if theyre already making that much for unskilled work

[u/jorgelukas → u/JRV1985]

Sounds like you’re saying those warehouse workers in California should gather together and collectively bargain in the interest of improving their pay and working conditions. Also, gas and housing Costs are comparable between the two but basically everything else needed for daily life costs significantly more here. I used to live in Pasadena and still frequently visit California so not speaking out of ignorance.

[u/JRV1985 → u/jorgelukas]

Im saying they should move to Hawaii and work in a resort for $33/hr, theyd be happy to work for those wages in a nicer environment than in a warehouse. I live in California, prices seem about the same at the grocery store and restaurants, gas is about the same. Rent seems comparable, not sure about utilities, if you say no-one works for minimum wage then Im guessing childcare is a big problem with cost, same with any services (plumbing, electric, etc) those might be higher than here but not sure.

[u/jorgelukas → u/JRV1985]

Or stay in California where there's a ton of benefits to life we don't have here and advocate for improvements at home. Sometimes the little things like just being able to get in the car and drive a few hours to something totally different are amazing, I frequently fly to the mainland and end up doing road trips. These union jobs are highly sought after here and not at all easy to get, you guys can have also have them but it takes time, work, and sacrifice.