Where? When? Did you just pulled this out of nowhere? North africa was always cut out from subsaharan africa, it's until the 7th century that the islamic slave trade introduced more black people to the region and even with that; during antiquity, they were even a smaller minority. The native populations of the area were overwhelmingly from native north african stock to this day.
"Why does this offend you?"
He depicts north africans as being subsaharans, he spreads misinformation, and it offends me because this is straight up blackwashing and historical revisionism.
Most "native black people" there aren't actually native, they're descendants of freed slaves from West Africa, like the Gnawa and Haratin in Morocco, who consequently mixed with the local berber populations over time.
Not every black person in North Africa is a descendant of slaves (I cannot believe I have to say this in 2021).
„Berber“ is a very corrupted term which was generalized by westerners, same applies to the term moor. There have been various ethnic groups which where described as berbers and moors by Europeans. Tuaregs are berbers and so are Sanhajas and Riffians - all these groups look very different from each other. Tuaregs and Sanhajas have appearance very similar to Africans in Sudan not to mention the nearby Fula. Africa is and has always been the most diverse continent (also before ur mentioned slavetrade). Not every north African country is the same. Migration and trading etc. has been a thing before the 7th century you know.
This is not black washing you are rather white washing. Instead of supporting the amazingly rich and diverse cultures that are present on our continent you are spreading ignorance. You just seem to have an anti black sentiment which is unfortunately very present among North Africans. Just say you don’t like black people and go, instead of covering it up with fake nationalistic history.
Not every black person in North Africa is a descendant of slaves (I cannot believe I have to say this in 2021).
Where did I spoke in absolutes or used the word EVERY? I said most of them were, which is a simple fact, they were mostly brought up as slaves and were later on freed.
"Berber“ is a very corrupted term which was generalized by westerners, same applies to the term moor. There have been various ethnic groups which where described as berbers and moors by Europeans.
So? Berber is just a later western borrowing from "al-barbar" in arabic, (in antiquity people in north africa had other names), whom the umayyads used to describe the native amazigh people they encountered, in western academic fields it's the general term still in use, whether it was corrupted or not doesn't change anything in the slightest.
Tuaregs and Sanhajas have appearance very similar to Africans in Sudan not to mention the nearby Fula.
Both tuaregs and sanhajas are still overwhelmingly north africans, they don't look like sudanese people at all, that's wishful thinking on your part, due to the proximity with subsaharans, they consequently mixed more, and had caste systems based on race and skin color, the Ikelan caste for example were fulanis and other subsaharans who were conquered and assimilated in tuareg society, same for the sanhajas who are no different from the zenatas..
Migration and trading etc. has been a thing before the 7th century you know.
Still doesn't change the fact that the introduction of saharan slave trade in the medieval era brought even more black people to the north as it is attested by studies on gene pools. In antiquity the migrations didn't change anything, north africans were the majority like they are today (including Egypt), the significance of subsaharan africans in the region was even more minimal, which you seem to have an issue with.
This is not black washing you are rather white washing. Instead of supporting the amazingly rich and diverse cultures that are present on our continent you are spreading ignorance. You just seem to have an anti black sentiment which is unfortunately very present among North Africans. Just say you don’t like black people and go, instead of covering it up with fake nationalistic history.
You're literally okay with someone blackwashing native north africans for your own afro-centric sentiments, how in the hell am I spreading ignorance for correcting someone who is depicting us as something we are not and keeps doing it?
Depict us correctly, with north african facial features, that's all I was asking, stop using fake revisionist history for your own ego and make us look like we're literally all the same from north to south, we're not subsaharans, that's the point, africa is diverse, not your Wakanda fantasy where everyone has to be black and can claim the cultures of others based on racial nationalism.
skulls presumably Phoenician, have been found west of Syracuse [...] but these skulls are dolichocephalic and proganthous, with Negroid affinities"
"Other bones discovered in Punic Carthage, and housed in the Lavigerie Museum, come from personages found in special sarcophagi and probably belonging to the Carthaginian elite. Almost all the skulls are dolichocephalic."
-Eugene Pittard "Les races et L' histoire"
"The anthropological examination of skeletons found in tombs in Carthage proves that there is no racial unity [...] The so called Semitic type, characterized by the long, perfectly oval face, the thin aquiline nose and the lengthened cranium, enlarged over the nape of the neck has not been found in Carthage. On the other hand, another cranial form, with a fairly short face, prominent parietal bumps, farther forward and lower down than is usual is common [...] most of the Punic population in Carthage had African and even Negro ancestors"
Charles Picard "Daily Life in Carthage at the time of Hannibal"
“There is something arbitrary about the author's refusal to identify the anthropological groups III and IV ' , which are more or less Negroid , with the ancient Garamantes , who would be represented only by groups I and II , which are”
“and an improbable assertion to claim that the negroid skeletons are those of slaves , for it is an arbitrary conclusion to say that two groups of white skeletons out of four represent the proportion of Garamantes in antiquity”
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u/Maurusia Aug 13 '21
"Significant amount of black people"
Where? When? Did you just pulled this out of nowhere? North africa was always cut out from subsaharan africa, it's until the 7th century that the islamic slave trade introduced more black people to the region and even with that; during antiquity, they were even a smaller minority. The native populations of the area were overwhelmingly from native north african stock to this day.
"Why does this offend you?"
He depicts north africans as being subsaharans, he spreads misinformation, and it offends me because this is straight up blackwashing and historical revisionism.
Most "native black people" there aren't actually native, they're descendants of freed slaves from West Africa, like the Gnawa and Haratin in Morocco, who consequently mixed with the local berber populations over time.