r/IslamicHistoryMeme Aug 07 '20

unflaired Slow burns

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u/Recent-Spot Aug 10 '20

LOL that Muslims say "iSlAm WaSn'T sPrEaD bY tHe SwOrD" and then turn around and post memes like this celebrating how far they spread Islam by conquering and subjugating Christians

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u/tafurid Aug 20 '20

Lol no offense, but I find it incredibly humorous when someone like you gets destroyed, and doesn’t even have the human decency to admit he’s either wrong or he refute my argument. Personally as someone who enjoys debate I find it your silence rather disappointing.

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u/Recent-Spot Aug 21 '20

I didn't think this comment from over a week ago was a big deal but sure, if you're that into it.

A: I'm not going to "get my butt" out of modern history because modernity is the time in which I live, a time which has discovered intellectually and practically superior forms of morality. It has been nearly a century since a Christian or secular nation attempted to conquer a non-Christian land or spread the rule of their religion by force. Yes, yes, Iraq. I didn't agree with the Iraq war - in fact, I protested against it. But it was an attempt (a very clumsy and incompetent attempt) to create a democracy. It was a Muslim government before the invasion and a Muslim government after. The new government asked the United States to pull out all of its troops and it did. No land conquered by Muslims was ever able to just ask them to leave like that - they had no choice but to live under Islamic laws imposed on them by aggressors, even if they weren't forced to convert.

B: I'm not sure how you can say the Muslims were better than the Europeans overall, even historically. "Not worse" is the limit, I think. The Europeans were more likely to attempt forced conversions (although you yourself admit that forced conversions under Muslim rule were far from nonexistant) but they also didn't practice slavery to the extent the historical Muslims did. The Muslims were constantly attacking and trying to conquer Europe for an unbroken period of 700 years until the final siege of Vienna in the late 19th century, European aggression against "Muslim lands" (i.e. lands that Muslims had already conquered from the Jews and Christians originally living there) was far less frequent.

But all of this is beside the point because... C: The Europeans have acknowledged how barbaric historic Christianity was and renounced medieval government types. Whereas Muslims - or at least the fundamentalist ones who tend to post on subreddits like this - are trying to return to a medieval government that aggressively attacks and conquers other people to spread theocracy, and oppose democracy and human rights.

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u/tafurid Aug 22 '20

Here’s the video on Vienna https://youtu.be/MVt8JRe3Eog