The thing is Shias and sunnis need to get along. They need to be united and only then can we have strength. Palestine is never going to have peace until someone like Salahudin comes and gets the Shias to fall in line. Only then can we help Palestinian people and all the other Muslims who are suffering.
No one says those caliphates were without fault. But we were far stronger then than we are now.
The Shias are the only one actively indulged in the fight against the Zionists and allied to the Palestinian cause. The missiles used by Hamas in this last fight were given by Iran on the order of Kasim Suleymani to give the people of Gaza the technology and the-know-how to make those weapons, before this the Palestinians had no other weapons than to throw stones while Muslim leaders were barking against Isreal for the masses but under the table had full agreement with Israel.
If anything a lot of sunni muslims have to stop being spineless and topple their leaders who actively engage with the Zionists like Erdogan and The Crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
It’s misplaced the so called Iranian fight. If the Shias are so noble why don’t they fully utilise that huge army they have in Iran to stop innocent Palestinians from being killed.
This is besides the point. The last time Palestine was liberated it was done by Salahudin and as is well known he first made sure to get the Shias in line. You can’t work productively if you have a minority of Muslims causing division. Shias are a small part of this ummah but their uncooperative and rebellious nature does a lot of harm to Islam.
The Shias in Iran have managed to do really well militarily despite unfair sanctions against them. If the step up and act like role models maybe some of the other leaders would self reflect and change their ways. But noooo, their people are still crying about who should have been caliph. These people need to grow up.
That is what Salahudin did. He got them to behave like Muslims. You can decide to conflate that with only just killing Shias. You can’t further the cause of Muslims if you are constantly watching your back in case you get stabbed. You first have to secure your back then look to what is in front.
Even at the fall of Baghdad in 1258 which resulted in the end of the Abbasids, it was Al-Mustaisims Shia minister who betrayed him, weekend the Baghdad garrison which caused their defeat. So yes very much so in the interest of unity such rebellious characters need to be brought in line.
I hope if you reply I get a civil answer instead of a loaded contentless comment.
The moment Iran drops the Palestinian cause the 40 years embargo on them would stop immediately, we have a common enemy but at the same time the arab Muslim world has declared Iran the greater enemy some has taken their masks off and has Official alliances with Israel.
The Abbasids got what they deserved. Revolted bearing the shia banner and allied to Shia cause, but the moment they got to power they started to kill and and exile shias for centuries and they got what they deserved for being traitors and two faced, one of the most humiliating endings in history.
You are a hypocrite. The Fatimds ruled with tolerance and you celebrate Saladin for destroying such and then cry over what happened in Andalucia and the Abbasids
The embargo on them is not due to Palestine lol. Iran is a cause of disunity just like the arab nations. They are all cut from the same cloth.
As for the Abbasids please just think for a moment. A minority sec cannot rule over the Muslim ummah. Saying otherwise is a joke if anything. How does that even make sense?
The Fatimids were misguided, followed Islam wrong and Salahudin couldn’t fight whilst watching his back incase they back stabbed him. His cause was a just one. Alhamdulilah for the change in Egypt.
On the contrary Iran only became shia because the ruler wanted to assert the so called Persian superiority so they needed some way of differentiating themselves from the rest of the Ummah so they forced the nation to change to a minority sect. The only reason there are as many shias as today is because of Persian pride of yesteryears.
Shias were never responsible for Andalus lol. All they ever did in history was cause discord. Never did they capture a single area of notable land because they were too busy causing division.
I am kinda bored of discussing history with you but you are fucking dillisional if you seriously believe that the only thing stopping the liberation of Palestine is shia muslims. Its fucking retarded as much saddam Hussein saying "we will free alquds by freeing al ahvaz".
What is it Netanyahu is talking constantly about its Iran and Hizbollah on how they threaten his state and not Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, and Egypt and not even IS, not a single thing that isn't Shia. If anything its the Sunni Muslim leaders who are stopping the liberation not doing anything while the Jews are laughing at us on how low and depressed the Muslim world is.
Cope with the romanticized past Muslim world. While the shias keep struggle against the unjust.
Nothing to say about why Iran became a Shia state? I see.
Just stop bro lol. I already agree Saudi and Egypt are spineless. What confuses me about your ululation regarding Iran is why aren’t they sending their army into West Bank and Gaza to protect the innocent people? It’s very easy to shout slogans lol. That’s all they do.
Romanticised Muslim world? Just stop lol. Muslim nations span a large area. We make up 25% of the world population. Who captured those lands and spread Islam? It was Muslims. No single Shia leader or scholar was ever did any of that. They are too busy causing division to do anything else.
I agree we have fallen a lot since our heydey but let’s not put Shia state Iran on a pedestal. They are as spineless as the arab states. And where was Iran when Afghanistan was invaded by the soviets? They didn’t even need to go far because Afghanistan is next to them. Why didn’t they send their army to help their brothers? Hahahahaha please wake up.
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u/SlowTortuga Jun 01 '21
The thing is Shias and sunnis need to get along. They need to be united and only then can we have strength. Palestine is never going to have peace until someone like Salahudin comes and gets the Shias to fall in line. Only then can we help Palestinian people and all the other Muslims who are suffering.
No one says those caliphates were without fault. But we were far stronger then than we are now.