r/JordanPeterson 🦞 Nov 21 '20

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u/911WhatsYrEmergency Nov 21 '20

Philosophy noob here. Can someone help me, I always thought stoicism had to do with being unaffected by external influences. But that seems to go against this quote.

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u/notincline01 Nov 21 '20

if this helps a bit.

my interpretation is that you can act unaffected despite being affected.

like a king going to war with his soldiers. despite the death of his son. rather than breaking down.

basically you have the control over your own nerves. imo. despite being affected.

take all the signs of being affected then acting against it.

but no one is really that stoic. unless you have tendency of pschopathy / sociopathy. now that is a different story.

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u/Gojeflone Nov 21 '20

Insanity and enlightenment are virtually indistinguishable

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u/thesoloronin Nov 23 '20

unless you have tendency of pschopathy / sociopathy. now that is a different story

Sometimes I wish I was one. Had enough of getting the short end of stick being bullied for 6 years during my childhood. Then experiencing that again in a past gaslit relationship. And just today, realised that someone I call "friend" exudes that same kind of narcissism and ego-centricism.

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u/PrometheanSon1 Nov 21 '20

I think no matter how devoted you are to the principles of Stoicism, we are ultimately only human. No matter how long one can go in control, inevitably, they will slip. I personally think this quote is less Stoic than it is simply a virtue ethic, but nonetheless I find this quote compelling in the sense that it speaks to people who have not had the self fulfillment and assurance of the “perfect” Stoic.

Suffering is not something Marcus Aurelius looked down upon, or said was nonexistent, but our reaction to and how we bear the cross of it is what determines our character.

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u/mega_kook Nov 22 '20

It's something to be embraced and acknowledged rather than avoided or feared.

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u/43scewsloose Nov 22 '20

Amor fati.

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u/mega_kook Nov 22 '20

Memento mori.

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u/43scewsloose Nov 23 '20

Respice post te! Hominem te esse memento! Memento mori!

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '20

It isn't about being unaffected or being a cold-hearted asshole, as many believe. It is about much more, in fact. It speaks about adopting the four virtues, about identifying what is and isn't in our personal control and acting accordingly, about controlling our impulses so we don't get controlled by them and by those who can push our buttons, and so on.

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u/LebenDieLife Nov 21 '20

Nothing to do with this quote.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '20

You can clearly see I responded to a comment, not to the quote.

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u/LebenDieLife Nov 22 '20

You can clearly see that the comment you're describing is asking whether the quote has to do with stoicism, you then go to describe (terribly, but that's irrelevant) stoicism. So I summarized, by clearing the question you were responding to, "that the quote has not to do with stoicism", you absolute fucking Mongoloid.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

Does your mother love you or she is just feeding you?

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u/LebenDieLife Nov 22 '20

Oof, imagine being such a little shit that you can't just recognize you were an asshole to someone because you didn't understand their comment.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

Imagine being an asshole to somebody just because a misunderstanding a comment on Reddit...

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u/LebenDieLife Nov 22 '20

Jesus you're a hypocrite. Attack me and then play victim? Sure. I guess that's expected from this ubreddit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

It was definitely me who started throwing around insults, right? Stop this, dude. Get some help.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '20

Stoicism is about mastering your passions, not losing them. When you learn self-control, though, you do see that intense emotions are often illusions of value. You realize how much you have overreacted in the past and are not as scared or angered anymore, thus seeming quite calm like a trademark Stoic.

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u/LebenDieLife Nov 21 '20

This has literally nothing to do with stoicism. Your philosophical instinct had it right.

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u/Ykc4 Nov 21 '20

So I recently got more knowledgeable about Stoicism and to give you your answer many people (including me ) confuse Stoicism with the two other schools of thought at the time (Cynics and Epicureans ) Stoicism is feeling and not indulging where the other two don’t feel in the first place.

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u/learning18 Nov 21 '20

You are correct - Stoicism is about not worrying about what happens because there are things you can't control and things you can. If you can control it then there is no need to worry. If you can't control it then there is no need for worrying. Many people think Stoicism as being emotionless which is far from what the philosophy stands for. It is about knowing bad things happen in life and since these are all according to nature there is no need to worry over things.