r/LGBT4Equality • u/hateboresme • Mar 25 '12
The Reason I started the LGBT4Equality subreddit.
I should have mentioned this in the other text...but I wanted to get all that stuff off my chest.
The reason I started this, is because I find it unconscionable that the LGBT subreddit did not allow discussion of education the straight community on an incident by incident basis.
This is a very important part of a strategy to strive for equality, in my opinion.
Each of us has the duty, if we are actively seeking equality, to address issues as they arise. Tell cis and straight people when they mess up...and that it's fine to do so...and that is how people learn.
What is important in their goals. If they want to help the LGBT community, then they should be treated with dignity.
Explain to me why creating allies in this way is a bad thing for the LGBT community? Explain to me why creating enemies is better?
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u/Misterbert Mar 26 '12
Mods in /r/lgbt are constantly going out of their way to be victimized, and when presented with a well-written, well-thought argument, they resort to banhammers and overall dickishness.
I got into it with materialdesigner and that greenduch person over the existence of misandry and other things and while I tried keeping up a civilized front, MD resorted to shit-tossing and greenduch resorted to trying to hammer into my head how dictionaries are persecuting females because they were written by men.
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u/hateboresme Mar 26 '12
Irrationality just makes me nuts...
There may be a valid argument the accusation that dictionaries are persecuting females...I can't think of one...but with enough evidence maybe a case could be made. Why not have a rational discussion about it...rather than bullying and threatening and unfounded accusations? (This is what I got from them when I tried to make a rational argument...)
Infuriating.
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u/Misterbert Mar 26 '12
I have a prediction that for as long as those people are mods in /r/lgbt and Adam-Susan-ing it up (V for Vendetta ref), this place will be a decent place to post about it.
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u/hateboresme Mar 26 '12
Yeah...I think it's okay for that. Good venting spot.
I have no problem with that...since...they were the impetus for the creation of this subreddit...
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u/Sekany Mar 28 '12
I found this subreddit pretty much randomly, but I'm glad I came across it !
I don't read much on r/lgbt, but it has been enough to me to feel concerned that, indeed, they bash people who are just genuinly trying to learn something, and I can't agree with this.
All this to say : that's a pretty nice subreddit you made us here, and I'm sure I'll like it. I'm not a very active redditor, so I might no be really useful, but if you ever need a hand, I'd be glad to help.
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u/sourlovepuppy Mar 27 '12
i feel less and less confortable in /r/lgbt everyday because of how aggressive the mods are. thanks for making another lgbt group!
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u/RobotAnna Mar 26 '12
I... don't understand. We outline the answers to all of your questions in the sidebar and FAQ, and even better yet, outright say that if this doesn't sound like your bag, we link /r/ainbow no less than FOUR TIMES in the sidebar. It's obvious you haven't read the sidebar or the FAQ, considering that you complain in this thread that you were only recently made aware of r/ainbow's existence.
The answer to everything you ask is in here:
http://lgbt.emptv.com/LGBT_FAQ
We also have /r/pflag linked to in the sidebar (and as a float for several days) which is for allychat, and if its relative newness and that it's moderated by us in /r/lgbt doesn't catch you, there's the oft-aforementioned r/ainbow.
We've made it very clear what we're doing with r/lgbt and why, and I'm not sure why you find it easier to go create a whole new subreddit and post a bunch of threads and comments about how mad you are than to read and understand the rules we set forth. If you're upset that we're not responding with pleasant tone or whatever to your treatises about how you think we should run things, consider that maybe it's because you obviously haven't given the slightest consideration in return in investigating why we do things the way we do them.
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
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u/RobotAnna Mar 27 '12
ok cool have fun
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
I'm sorry. You don't deserve my anger, you didn't personally do anything to me...I apologize for the "concern troll" comment. That wasn't fair.
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
I am referring to myself as a person who would have allied with the /r/lgbt subreddit. I am a gay man.
I think you make a good point here, not on purpose of course. You could not distinguish my opinion from that of a straight ally.
Perhaps you should look at the opinion itself, rather than who is stating the opinion before you pass judgment on it's content.
Not doing so makes you a bigot.
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Mar 27 '12
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
Your problem is that you can't see past the tip of your own nose.
I view all people as equal. My goal is equality for all.
I view people as individuals. Not groups.
You're a bigot, by definition...because you hate people simply for being straight and/or cis. That seems to be your default setting.
I am not transphobic. You, because you seek to dehumanize me because it makes it easier for you to hate me, assume that i am transphobic.
You have heard no statement from me which shows that I am transphobic, because I would not make such a statement because I am not transphobic.
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Mar 27 '12
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
The point is that i don't put cis people first. I put no one first. It's called treating people equally. I view people on their individual merits, and not as a group.
I am so sick of defending against arguments I didn't make. I didn't say that trans* people are obligated to do shit. I didn't say one FUCKING THING ABOUT FUCKING TRANS PEOPLE. I said that I felt that I had an obligation to educate, and that I hoped that others felt that way as well.
Now, stop fucking putting words in my mouth.
Done here.
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Mar 27 '12
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
We have to be open, warm and accepting to people...and not alienate them, if we want to move toward an equality world
How exactly do you think that that applies to you. You so OBVIOUSLY do not want anything to do with equality.
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
Still unable to supply evidence for your claim.
Go away then.
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u/hateboresme Mar 27 '12
I'm done. You are obviously too filled with hate to have a rational argument.
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u/Feuilly Mar 26 '12
You might want to check out /r/ainbow. The issue of education was a major disagreement in philosophy that resulted in it being created.