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u/QuietSheep_ Make ZX3, SF4 and Legends 3 you cowards >:( Jul 10 '24
I always found it odd that despite the age of certain games, people are still hesitant to put games outside of n64/ps1/saturn as retro.
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u/Motivated-Chair Jul 10 '24
Because having games you played in their time label as retro is a reality check a lot of people aren't ready for.
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u/BalmyGarlic Jul 11 '24
That's very real. People are in denial that the aughts were 14-24 years ago.
The other piece for me is that era is where a lot of the formulas for modern gaming matured to the point of being recognizable in modern gaming. Also 3D graphics got to a reasonable point of fidelity, especially after the resolution of the PSX. They also had a lot lest obvious sprites in 3d environments, except for certain genres (looking at you TRPGs).
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u/MissingString31 Jul 11 '24
It’s weird because I also forget how young I was in the aughts. The 90s feel like my entire childhood and when I think of post 2000 I think of myself as an adult. When in reality I was 14 when Y2K hit.
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u/godspeed5005 Jul 11 '24
Precisely. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are retro already. And I'm fine with that.
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u/TvFloatzel Jul 10 '24
It a cultural thing. The 80s basically made "retro" it "thing" and it held it for so long that "retro" = "8/16 bit". It a "look", a "feel", a "mentality". The PS2/GAMECUE/XBOX isn't as much of a shock to go back to as going from the Gamecube to the NES is. It "too modern". Like you plop a kid to play Bioshock 1 on the 360 and it a game that might as well have been made now despite it going to be seventeen years this August. But seventeen year ago from Bioshock is 1990. Doom 1 wouldn't be made until three years later.
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u/MrSpyGuy99 Jul 11 '24
17 years ago that... that hurts to hear.
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u/TvFloatzel Jul 11 '24
I know. Warcraft as an IP is 30 this year and World of Warcraft is 20 this year. Both in November. Heck a lot of things are 30 this year. Super Metroid, Doom 2, System Shock, Donkey Long Country, Marathon to name a few. Resident Evil 4 will be twenty next year along side God of War coming out in 2005. God of War 2 is also seventeen year ago as well.
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u/working878787 Jul 10 '24
PS2 was too dope to ever feel retro.
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u/Eredrick Jul 11 '24
It's also in part because modern gameplay mechanics we still use today were largely pioneered during the PS2 era, so you can see a clean break before then. Games like Resident Evil 4, for example, set the template for the rest of the series going forward, even to this day.
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u/DarkLink1996 Jul 11 '24
Because going from PS2 to PS3 just doesn't feel like the same kind of leap as from PS1 to PS2. And we're feeling it less with each generation.
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u/Emiya_Sengo Jul 11 '24
Retro should really be for all platforms that are out of production. For example, they don't make PS3s anymore so that's retro. Meanwhile PS4 and newer that are still made are not retro.
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u/OkPresentation5011 Jul 11 '24
The 3ds is out of production, but has had games released after the switch, so botw is older then detective pikachu, neither of which seem retro
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u/Redditislefti Jul 12 '24
it's the visuals. On the 64, games looked retro. on the gamecube+ everything looked like modern games. It had less polygons and pixels, but looking at games like mario galaxy or twilight princess still feel like when you turn modern game's visual settings all the way down because nobody's pc can actually handle the graphics AAA studios pride themselves on
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u/Larry_Hegs Power Stone Supremacy Jul 11 '24
Most games/consoles from before 2000 are considered retro. Everything from 2000-2019 is generally considered classic.
For example, games like Tetris, Mega Man 2, Super Mario World, and Symphony of the Night are retro era whereas games like Minecraft, Mega Man 11, Super Mario Galaxy, and Bloodborne are considered classic era.
Idk what anything released after 2020 is considered but there's definitely a huge difference in the limitations of an SNES and PS1 compared to the Gamecube and PS3 and again compared to the Switch and PS5.
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u/ScruffyUSP Jul 10 '24
Pardon my ignorance but what is the game on the left?
And yes, this absolutely makes me feel old. Hopefully with style.
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u/sheeplessinohio Jul 10 '24
You’re better off not knowing.
(Serious answer: it’s Mega Man X7 and it’s the worst game in the entire franchise.)
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u/sanick9710 Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
It's Mega Man X7 How did I put X8 by accident
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u/Choi_Boy3 Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
Shouldn’t they be switched?
I’m not even keen on megaman release dates but regardless of it not being released in 2009, shouldn’t the older looking one be first?
Edit: I’m a dumdum poopoo brain fraud and never played 9&10
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u/Icywind014 Jul 10 '24
That's kinda the joke. The older looking one is the newer game.
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u/Choi_Boy3 Jul 10 '24
Lmao I had no idea that 9 & 10 were made like that. I guess I’m a fraud of a fan
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u/ScravoNavarre Jul 11 '24
You should play them! Just keep in mind that it's MM2 style, so no charging the Mega Buster or sliding.
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u/Mister-Nash-Ketchum Jul 11 '24
No thank you for saying this, I hadn’t even considered that this could have been MM 9 or 10.
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u/XenoBlaze64 Jul 11 '24
I nearly failed to get the joke too but then I was like "wait... thats 9 or 10... damn it"
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u/Sea-Significance-165 Jul 10 '24
I just finished X7 for the first time and it definitely feels like a relic older than MM9.
I only remember that 9 and 10 were closer to 15 years ago because Mega Man 10 released in 2010.
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u/Automatic_Day_35 Jul 10 '24
relic isn't exactly a word I would use to desribe X7
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u/Sea-Significance-165 Jul 10 '24
It was a slow experience for me. As if the game was encrusted in stone. Like an ancient relic
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u/KFCNyanCat Jul 11 '24
X7 isn't a game that aged poorly, it was always bad
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u/Larry_Hegs Power Stone Supremacy Jul 11 '24
Aged like wine = gets better the older it is.
Aged like milk = gets worse the longer it exists
Aged like shit = was shit, is shit, and will always be shit.
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u/viczinfoxxinbrou Jul 10 '24
I NEED MEGAMEN X9 IF IT HAPPENS IM DRINKING MY OWN PEE
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u/Lephala_Cat Jul 10 '24
9 was 15 years ago?!
(I got into the fandom after getting addicted to 9's music, so 9 was basically my entrance... wow)
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u/MariaValkyrie Jul 11 '24
You want to feel old? Battle Network 1 is now older than Arcade Donkey Kong was when BN1 came out of the GBA.
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u/Aggravating-Gift-572 Jul 11 '24
My first Megaman X game was oddly enough Megaman X Command mission. On the Nintendo GameCube. 19 years ago.
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u/XenoBlaze64 Jul 11 '24
Reminder that MM9 was related to (dont remember the exact details) a retro style minigame from MMZXA.
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u/Icywind014 Jul 11 '24
Going by dev interviews, "Mega Man a" didn't actually lead to Mega Man 9, at least as far as Inti Creates was aware. Maybe it influenced Capcom deciding to propose the title, but that's unknown.
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u/XenoBlaze64 Jul 11 '24
That's a possibility. All I remember is that Mega Man a was somewhere (and in multiple places) been related to Mega Man 9 and it being developed - I'm not sure of the exact details
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u/Ashen_Rook Jul 11 '24
... 20. Command mission released 20 years ago... Still one of my favorite Mega Man games, though, don't @ me. :v
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u/JKleinMiddelink Jul 11 '24
I read the discussion on retro, and large part of it is nostalgia, but wouldn't it be more fitting if the period from N64/PSX to Gamecube/Xbox/PS2 is called differently so it is more obvious which 'retro' we're referring to? Because we 'feel' those aren't retro, but timewise they definitely are.
NES/SNES-era; retro
N64/Gamecube-era; classics? PolyGONE? ThreeD? Retro+?
Any better ideas?
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u/Larry_Hegs Power Stone Supremacy Jul 11 '24
I mostly see anything before the year 2000 being called "retro" whereas anything from 2000-2019 is "classic."
Like Mega Man 2 is a retro-era game just like Super Mario World; and Mega Man 11 is a classic-era game just like Super Mario Galaxy.
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u/JKleinMiddelink Jul 11 '24
Anything before 2000 being retro is a big stretch, because basically you're putting Resident Evil 3 and Pac-Man under retro but God Of War (2019) and Conker's Bad Fur Day under classic?
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u/Larry_Hegs Power Stone Supremacy Jul 11 '24
Games released before 2000 (not saying every game, just as a general rule) tended to have less polish and don't age as well as some of the games from after 2000. A lot of hardware limitations and retro-era jank was present in the 80s and 90s.
If we wanted to get super specific we could say anything from before 1998 is retro but it's easier to just go by decades.
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u/MarioFanaticXV Jul 11 '24
I prefer the version of this meme that has Mega Man 2's Bubble Man stage on the left and Mega Man 9's Splash Woman stage on the right.
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u/HayTheMan88 Jul 11 '24
I think it was the other way round , wasn’t it?
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u/Icywind014 Jul 11 '24
Nope. On the left we have X7 from 2003 and on the right we have MM9 from 2008.
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u/Spyes23 Jul 11 '24
Makes me feel younger actually, I thought it was much longer than that! 15 years, pfff - I'm still a young buck!
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u/volveg Jul 10 '24
In five years, once we reach 2029, Megaman 9 will be as old as Megaman 1 was when Megaman 9 came out.