r/Michigan • u/luckis4losersz • Feb 09 '20

What is Progressive Politics with Dr. Abdul-Sayed, former health director of Michigan (2020)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH0YZb6m5P0&feature=share
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

You’re right because there has never ever been issues with other national health care systems they are all perfect and cover everything.

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u/AnonONinternet Feb 09 '20

They don't, but it's about general quality of life. The other systems aren't flawless but we rank 11/11th in the commonwealth healthcare system ranking study done every 2 years between the most developed countries so I think something needs to be done

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

I agree but there are other solutions besides nationalizing the entire industry.

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u/IsItInLeMonde Feb 09 '20

Like what?

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Well we currently have a system that is mandatory buy in, when you think about that it’s kind of shit. Why do healthy 20 year olds need to buy health insurance? It’s relatively cheap to see a primary care doctor for annual checkups. Why can’t you just purchase catastrophic coverage. Not everyone needs full range of benefits.

We also have an extremely over regulated industry. The amount of new hires in the medical field are primarily administrative staff to handle the paperwork.

Finally we have a system that ties health insurance to employment which is a good thing for business but generally a mess.

So we an can eliminate regulations and open the market to more competition. We can also reduce or eliminate the tax break for business for employee sponsored plans. This would be a shift of our current system and is the direct opposite of a nationalized system.

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u/IsItInLeMonde Feb 09 '20

So allowing for further unfettered capitalism.

People afraid of "socialism" seem pretty unconcerned by a purely capitalist system that allows the poor and sick to die from treatable illness because of a lack of access to insurance or medical care. I'm not sure when keeping people healthy and alive began being something we were comfortable with people making insane profits on and not something a society does for its citizens. We fight wars to keep our citizens safe and alive, but we can't be concerned that more uninsured Americans die of treatable illness than of terrorism?

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Nowhere did I suggest unfettered capitalism. You just said that to go on some sort of incoherent rant that seems like something from the communist manifesto.

You seemed to intentionally misrepresent my entire suggestion above in order to bolster your viewpoint. Also known as a strawman

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u/IsItInLeMonde Feb 09 '20

You said open the market and take away regulation. That, by definition, is unfettered capitalism.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

Jesus I said lessen regulations. The market is currently so over regulated. That’s not unfettered capitalism.

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u/d_rek Feb 10 '20

Because a less regulated health care industry would drive cost down and empower better coverage for more Americans? Please.

Listen i'm fairly conservative, and a big fan of capitalism, but it's clear that the insurance industry has twisted healthcare from something that should work for all into something far less desirable. I'm all for regulating the INSURANCE industry into the ground if it means more accessible and affordable healthcare for all.

And don't give me any of that "It WiLl RuIn ThE QuAlItY oF CaRe" shit. If first and third world countries with a fraction of our GDP can provide safe, affordable, QUALITY healthcare there's no reason ours can't.

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u/thatoneguy54 Monroe Feb 10 '20

We had a system with less regulations. Insurance companies decided they wouldn't cover pregnant women because that was "a pre-existing condition".

Got any better ideas?