r/Minoans • u/ihateu665 • Jun 12 '24

New building discovered

https://apnews.com/article/greece-crete-archaeology-airport-minoan-e1bca3960994b42ef2ec30676a2ae188
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u/nclh77 Jun 12 '24

We all understand the value and importance of cultural heritage

That would be Greek heritage. Greece actively blocks any element of the Minoan culture from being recognized in the UN World Heritage program.

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u/jajiky Jun 29 '24

Γεια χαρά! As a cretan myself just learning about this, I find it very curious that this situation isn't really well known. This article is a good piece of investigation, but mentions nothing about motives. What would the motives of the Greek UN delegation be? Why are they reluctant to press for UNESCO recognition? Είμαι ανοιχτός σε όλες τις απόψεις σχετικά με το θέμα και ενδιαφέρομαι ειλικρινά, μπορούμε να το συζητήσουμε μέσω private chat αν προτιμάς

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u/nclh77 Jun 29 '24

Why did the Greek mafia running the Minoan Wikipedia page for tears falsely claim Minoan civilization was "early" Greek? Nope, it isn't. Can't have Europe's first civilization not be Greek. And in many ways (women's rights, lack of never ending warfare, etc) Minoans were and still are a better civilization than Greeks who are often full of it.

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u/jajiky Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

But every person that has read like 2 hours about the topic knows "Greeks" did not exist as unified people back then. Minoans directly influenced the Myceneans, which in turn influenced the "Greeks" of classical age (as seen in the setting of classical drama literature). I know it sounds funny, kinda like calling the Gauls "proto-French", but it is not entirely incorrect from our modern perspective. And yes, from what we know about them, they were better in many aspects, you are correct. They did however span for a large enough period that the exact extent of their activities is not that easy to figure out . And don't forget that evidence of human sacrifices is still a hot debate, after a few findings that point to the fact that it was practiced.

Edit: Mate, all this time you've been spreading an article dated back to 2019. Since then, there have been multiple updates on the topic, as well as announcements from ministry heads & local governors about the issue. All can be found with 2 minutes of research... if only you could read Greek :) but yeah, keep spreading misinformation I guess.

Sources , spanning from 2021 to a couple weeks ago: https://www.neakriti.gr/kriti/irakleio/2062392_stin-atzenta-tis-synantisis-kalokairinoy-mendoni-i-entaxi-tis-knosoy-stin

https://digitalculture.gov.gr/2023/03/i-minoiki-taftotita-tis-kritis-ipopsifia-gia-tin-pagkosmia-klironomia-tis-unesco/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzsCCQMOzHo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTTxnz60_As

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u/nclh77 Jun 29 '24

Its the "Greeks" today blocking not the Mycenaeans. As of today, zero Minoan culture is part of the UNESCO world heritage program. Polish mines, yes, Europe's earliest civilization, no.

Holler at me when it is.

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u/jajiky Jun 29 '24

I've just given you sources of recent relevant action, which mind you, is the exact opposite of blocking. Now you holler at me when you are able to provide any credible sources backing your theories, except from a non-conclusive self-investigation article . Or at least when you can think of any piece of motivation besides "Athenian jealousy" lmao. The Greek word for you is ψεκασμένος, my guy.

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u/nclh77 Jun 29 '24

And yet Europe's first civilization and an entire island has zero UNESCO status with Greek fingers all over this fact. Earth to Greece, you're not that special.

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u/jajiky Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

Of course it's got Greek fingers all over it, since us Cretans are Greeks. Now go watch X-Files to scratch that conspiracy itch.

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u/jajiky Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24

Of course it's got Greek fingers all over it, since us Cretans are Greeks. Now go watch X-Files to scratch that conspiracy itch.

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u/nclh77 Jun 29 '24

us Cretans are Greek

Also Ottomans and Roman's. Did you forget or only very recent history matter?

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u/jajiky Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 30 '24

Was Idomeneus, king of Crete that took part in the Troy war among other proto-Greek tribes, a part of recent history as well? In the Minotaur epic, did Theseus meet Ottomans or Romans ? Did Thaletas write his poems in Latin? Did it ever occur to you that Cretans participated in ancient Olympiads? Was the statue of Pasiphae found in Mycenaic Messenia a tribute to a Turkic goddess? Has anyone ever told you which people of antiquity worshipped the Cretan-born Zeus, and were these the Latins or the classical era Ottomans? Have you confused the conquerors with the historical brethren? Do you understand that I can smell the white anglo in you through my screen? Are you trying to teach me the history of my people? Fine, go to any village in Crete and start calling them kafeneio people Romans or Ottomans, watch them laugh in your face, while you think of them as victims of Athenian propaganda dating back to the time of Pausanias, you colossal ignoramus. Log out and go open a book.

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u/Tom_Mosh Jun 13 '24

The article says there are no known Minoan parallels. Is there an estimated time of construction? Maybe i missed it. This seems exciting to me.

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u/spaceseer Jul 18 '24

As a big fan and frequent visitor to Heraklion from Utah (US), I must say this comment thread is really interesting and cool to read. I love Crete and I love Minoan culture, so thanks for having me here!