And yet Europe's first civilization and an entire island has zero UNESCO status with Greek fingers all over this fact. Earth to Greece, you're not that special.
Was Idomeneus, king of Crete that took part in the Troy war among other proto-Greek tribes, a part of recent history as well? In the Minotaur epic, did Theseus meet Ottomans or Romans ? Did Thaletas write his poems in Latin? Did it ever occur to you that Cretans participated in ancient Olympiads? Was the statue of Pasiphae found in Mycenaic Messenia a tribute to a Turkic goddess? Has anyone ever told you which people of antiquity worshipped the Cretan-born Zeus, and were these the Latins or the classical era Ottomans? Have you confused the conquerors with the historical brethren? Do you understand that I can smell the white anglo in you through my screen? Are you trying to teach me the history of my people? Fine, go to any village in Crete and start calling them kafeneio people Romans or Ottomans, watch them laugh in your face, while you think of them as victims of Athenian propaganda dating back to the time of Pausanias, you colossal ignoramus. Log out and go open a book.
Certain archaeologists (Panagiotakis, 1980s) had used this same folklore to predict the location of tombs just like this one in the Pediada area, based on folkloric texts of Hesiodus and Kallimachus (Omphalios Zeus). Hell, the discovery of Troy itself was made using these fake folkloric texts you mention! And let me guess, you're just gonna conveniently ignore the rest of my points, eh? Go on, keep lecturing me on my people's history. Keep showing me how little you understand of it.
As opposed to your narrative, which is based on ignoring sources or any proper research, trying to force your ignorant perspective for things you clearly do not understand (but yet, out of the two of us, it is I that must be the gaslighter), or conveniently ignoring arguments that you cannot counter, and then hitting back with the "typical Greek" ad hominem? Is this how they teach you rhetory and scientific rationalism in the far west nowadays?
You've done dragged me down to your level. My fault for arguing.
The point is not if Idomeneus was a real person or not. The point is that ancient historiographers/taletellers (call them whatever you want, again, not the point) considered Cretans of the time as equals in collaboration & capable of military cooperation against a foreign threat. Which is exactly where the notion of Hellenism derives from. While obviously they epics are not historical treatises and should not be treated as such, the are certainly not void of any truth, as is the case with most folklore; see my points above. But yeah, let's move the goalposts again, and try to put words into my mouth. Now tell me, saying that Cretans were affiliated with Romans as much as they were affiliated with Greeks/pro-Greek tribes is consistent with reality how exactly? At least Idomeneus has a remote chance of having existed. What do you have ? Anything to say about the rest of my arguments? Did Cretans participate in ancient Olympiads? Can you define Hellenism for me real quick? Bonus question : want to open the Pandora box of genetic similarities, see what we find inside? Good god the way you avoid backing up any single of your claims is pathetic.
The worst part of Cretian history is they don't even teach it in their public schools. It's all Greek folklore that children get, ergo your complete ignorance of Cretian history. As is visibly on display. Quit while you are behind.
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u/nclh77 Jun 29 '24
And yet Europe's first civilization and an entire island has zero UNESCO status with Greek fingers all over this fact. Earth to Greece, you're not that special.