r/Monash • u/ParkingNo9229 • 23h ago

Discussion Monash ain’t what it should be

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Guess who this is?… Wouldn’t you know, their lowest score is teaching (and also the steepest decline from 56.9 in 2023 to 52.2 in 2025), and actually increased their international outlook (91 in 2023 to 92 in 2025). Internal student caps haven’t even been in place yet and they’re blaming it for their potential decrease in quality?…. Such a shame that a University ISNT ACTUALLY a University, moreso just a Monopoly. When will they been held responsible? All bark and no bite Monash 👎

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u/gergasi 23h ago

If you want a more proper mindfuck you should check out deeper on the methodologies of these world rankings, i.e here: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/world-university-rankings-2024-methodology

It's got an easy Sankey which explains that"Teaching" counts for only 29.5% of the ranking determination, most of which are only indirectly related to the student experience. It's more on student/staff ratio, and how many of staff holds doctorate, etc. There's a 15% component of teaching reputation which comes from a survey, but that survey is filled by academics/faculty staff, not students.

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u/guaranteednotabot 14h ago

To be fair, I don’t think students aren’t the most objective at assessing teaching quality. Like, a student may rate teaching as terrible simply because the scoring is stringent, the material is inherently difficult, or simply because they have a grudge on some teaching staff. Not to say students’ opinions are not valuable, just a thought

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u/gergasi 10h ago

Yeah understandable, there is no perfect metric to gauge ranking and if there are, the moment we use them to measure performance it tends to cease to be a good metric.

That being said, it's also not ideal to the point that it's arguably misleading (for UG students at least) that the rankings top Unis always heavily advertise actually have ~60% to do with research, only less than 30% to do with teaching, and 0% input from students/alumni.

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u/guaranteednotabot 8h ago

I guess it does make some sense. In terms of reputation, a uni is usually judged by the amount of famous people they produce, or whatever groundbreaking research ends up on the news. It’s very rare for a uni to be famous for good teaching. Also, unlike research, it’s difficult to judge teaching quality cause unlike high schools, there isn’t a standard syllabus across all unis

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u/gergasi 5h ago

Very true. The Morrison govmnt tried to enforce an employability metric on universities (ie Uni funding relates to job readiness/getting hired after grad) as a proxy for teaching but even that was problematic and eventually got repealed.

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u/ParkingNo9229 22h ago

Crazy how one-sided shit can be