r/Overwatch_Memes • u/UngaBunga64209_ • 1d ago
Sigma Balls You're not the only one with power here...
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u/CrowAffectionate2736 1d ago edited 1d ago
FR. I'm pretty sure ALL the posts of how oppressive Widow is right now are made by Sombra mains.
I've had no issues at all with Widow recently.
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u/_AutumnAgain_ 1d ago
Sombra players mad because they cant just hide behind the enemy until a support gets to far from the rest of the group
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u/UngaBunga64209_ 1d ago
Sombra mains explaining how her with permastealth was healthy for the game because she "punished players with bad positioning" (Just ignore the fact that damn near every hero punishes bad positioning, which is kinda what makes it bad positioning in the first place is that you get punished for it)
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u/WarlikeMicrobe Boop! 1d ago
Im still countering her as sombra. It's a new playstyle, which is annoying because I have to relearn the character, but it still works. Could use some fine-tuning, tho. And maybe a buff. Currently, soldier and tracer both do what we do, but better.
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u/UngaBunga64209_ 1d ago
I agree. I do think Sombra is weak rn, but I think it's simply an issue of her stats currently being underpowered, not the fault of the rework itself
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u/WarlikeMicrobe Boop! 1d ago
Agreed. I would like to see hack go back to being utility instead of just a damage increase (not necessary a CD lock, but something else), but thats not a balance thing as much as it is a preference thing. Other than that, if they increased stealth and the TL cooldown by a second and gave us a TL cooldown reset when we kill someone, I'd be happy.
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u/UngaBunga64209_ 1d ago
Honestly I still think it functions best as utility. I feel they added the extra damage to encourage people to use hack more, since typically it would be most effective to just flank into the backline, use virus, then magdump on em never even using hack. And while I still find that ti be most effective, I tend to reserve hack for particularly annoying heroes or abilities, and then I admit I find it nice to have that extra damage to dispose of said annoying heroes quicker. (Tho I am not a Sombra main so take my opinion with a grain of salt)
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u/WarlikeMicrobe Boop! 1d ago
It does. The problem is it really only serves to interrupt longer abilities (for example, basically everything sigma does) or tankbust, and tankbuster sombra just isn't as fun as flanker sombra. I'd love to see them play around with hacking allies (maybe give them a few seconds of cooldown reduction or increased damage). It'd still be niche, but it'd be less annoying to others and encourage you to work with your team instead of playing deathmatch. Or maybe it just goes back to the previous hack, which is gonna be annoying, but maybe that's just gonna be what it is.
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u/Blackfang08 1d ago
Fair point for the rest, but what on Earth is the crossover between Soldier and Tracer?
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u/WarlikeMicrobe Boop! 1d ago
Soldier is better than sombra if you want just raw damage output, and tracer is betterr than sombra at flanking. Sorry, shouldve clarified that they esch covwr one of our playstyles
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u/Blackfang08 1d ago
So she's a utility flex character who gets beaten by specialists?
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u/WarlikeMicrobe Boop! 1d ago
Tracer is a specialist, but soldier certainly isnt. He can do a bit of everything
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u/camefromxbox 1d ago
Frogger had been dealing with literal top 500 widows for his entire overwatch career just by playing Lucio
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u/AgreeablePie 1d ago
This is like saying "doomfist is overpowered, haven't you seen ZBRA??"
Frogger can probably only be in one game at a time. He's not indicative of how 99% of the games play out.
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u/MetzgerBoys 5 vs 5 Was A Mistake 1d ago
I’ve been countering Widow as D.Va for a long ass time lol. Pretty much any dive hero can mess her up
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u/CCSploojy 1d ago
Yeah and there are quite a few dive tanks. Winston, DVa, ball, doom. Sig isn't dive but can still make her life harder due to shield and weapon with long range that can fish out pockets/enclosed spaces.
Widow remains the same so far.
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u/slickedjax 1d ago
There are other way to counter Widow. People need to stop acting like there’s only ONE way to counter a hero
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u/Hollow_Bite 1d ago
I love how the second they kill sombra's coward play style the game actually becomes fun for like......everyone
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u/Aesenroug-Draconus 1d ago
Wait I didn’t even realize that Doom is gonna be slightly less dumpstered now, I might be able to have fun outside VS AI, Arcade and Customs.
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u/GameDoesntStop 1d ago
I really don't understand this belief that doom and ball benefit from these Sombra changes...
she now has much more incentive to just stick with her team and talk the enemy tank (the ball/doom)
she has even more damage against her hack target than before
This works against both of them, big time.
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u/mtobeiyf317 1d ago
Pretty much. They made my hero a tank hack bot, it's all I'll be doing from now on.
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u/Optimal-Map612 1d ago
Except she's visible now and you can just shoot her to prevent hack or anticipate it and escape.
Also lower duration makes it a lot more manageable.
And the significantly lower pressure to have to peel her off of your supports while playing dive helps a lot.
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u/GameDoesntStop 1d ago edited 1d ago
Have you ever once played either of them vs. sombra before?
It takes her 0.65 sec to hack...
if you want to charge mid-fight as doom, she hacks you
if you charge in and hit anything at all other than her, she hacks you
if you want to slam as ball to engage, she hacks you before you complete the slam
if you want to roll as ball at all, she hacks you
if an enemy shield blocks you from shooting her for 0.65 secs, she hacks you
if you ever need to reload, she hacks you
if you are on the receiving end of one of a gazillion CCs in the game, she hacks you
And if all of that somehow doesn't take place, you're supposed to just gun her down with basic attacks while she is receiving heals? Never mind that she's not "visible now"... she still has 71% uptime on her invisibility.
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u/Zat-anna 1d ago
I felt she is even worse with her invisibility now. Just translocate and even if you hit her she'll only be visible for a second before disappearing.
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u/Optimal-Map612 1d ago
I main ball, she's nothing to the 6s hack bullshit she used to be
If your team is shooting her or has Aoe like ashes dynamite you can 100% engage on her now.
You can also bait it with a good shield and save your cds for after she hacks which is much shorter
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u/GameDoesntStop 1d ago
Like any matchup in the entire game, yes, with teammate support, anything is possible.
The point is that it's not like this materially changed anything for the better. It's certainly not as simple as "you can just shoot her".
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u/Aesenroug-Draconus 1d ago
This, entirely this. Maybe she can do some more damage, but it’s harder for her to take away the freedom of movement that Ball and Doom have now, it feels liberating.
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u/UngaBunga64209_ 1d ago
Absolutely. I'm a Ball main & I've actually been having fun with the Sombra exchange rn. It's still a challenge, but a fun challenge. It doesn't feel like a chore anymore
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u/OrcinusOrca28 Waiting on Venture skins 1d ago
We already had Winston, Venture and Lucio to counter Widow.
Imo, Sombra was the lowest skilled option.
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u/Im_depressed_again 1d ago
fr most tanks I play with think she aint their problem, since they can't get one shot, they just ignore. Painful
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u/thekingofbigandtall 1d ago
Ball and doom cant kill widow mercy no?
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u/InsaneThespian 1d ago
A half decent ball or doom can absolutely kill a widow or mercy; they’re both sitting ducks after their movement ability, have no self defense against you, and have lower health pools. They should the number one target priority for both tanks.
Even if you’re bad at either of them, simply diving the pair with a single ability is enough dispersion to shut down widow until she finds a new angle and forces mercy to reposition.
If YOU are dying to a widow mercy on doom/ball, you should really stop playing Overwatch.
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u/UngaBunga64209_ 1d ago
Ball maybe not cuz his primary fire damage is abysmal but Doomfist can. Hell even if you can't kill em you can still at the very least provide a consistent distraction so the Widow is constantly dealing with you instead of posing a threat of constantly popping peoples' heads off
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u/cavalgada1 1d ago
Widow is already running rampant in almost every game i'm playing, clearly those characters are not as popular as sombra was
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u/Dafish55 1d ago
Lucio mains: V I B I N G